Action for ME has joined S4ME

Or put it this way, nobody ever used a subscription to Private Eye as evidence of importance or legitimacy.

So, this is off-topic I know.

But I saw a doctor last year who proudly told me that his only knowledge of ME/CFS came from a Private Eye article he had read. Fortunately the article suggested there was something wrong with the PACE trial. So that doctor's subscription to Private Eye made him at least as expert in ME/CFS as any doctor I have been seen by.

Ok, back to AfME...
 
The severely/very severely sick ME Sufferers who were abandoned by AFME, and were fortunate to survive, if they actually survived, are the people who have the right to criticise AFME.

I am one of them. I do not wish to discuss the events of the first 5 years of Severe/Very severe ME. Because, when I have, certain people sought to deny, and even predatorially attack me. ...... . I was safer in a war zone, on the wrong end of a damn great gun.....whilst healthy, ...than 5 years later in my own country whilst very severely sick with ME.
 
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@Alvin , I was just wondering how you imagine the idea of a "private forum" in reality? Should the whole forum be private, or should there be both public and private areas? The conversations (PMs) are private even now, and I guess private groups can be added if necessary, or do you have a better idea? Should the contents be indexed by google or not? If not, how would other people find the forum? Who should be allowed to register? Should all new members be investigated in some way? Well, I don't think the last one is possible at all.
 
@Alvin , I was just wondering how you imagine the idea of a "private forum" in reality? Should the whole forum be private, or should there be both public and private areas? The conversations (PMs) are private even now, and I guess private groups can be added if necessary, or do you have a better idea? Should the contents be indexed by google or not? If not, how would other people find the forum? Who should be allowed to register? Should all new members be investigated in some way? Well, I don't think the last one is possible at all.
I would make member only forums for members who are active or actually have ME/CFS or who are not part of agencies that support lies about our condition or try to paint us as militant, vexatious or a population of people who send death threats :emoji_face_palm:

And interestingly closed forums are not unprecedented, iirc Merlier patients had their own subforum on the other place...
 
Not censor, publicly and openly and calmly explain to them why their membership doesn’t match the ethos of this group.
Hasn't AfME's ethos already been soundly rejected with detailed explanations by many people? What exactly are you calling for which does not involve censorship or banning? An official public denunciation from the forum? How many other organizations would also require an official denunciation?
 
But I saw a doctor last year who proudly told me that his only knowledge of ME/CFS came from a Private Eye article he had read. Fortunately the article suggested there was something wrong with the PACE trial. So that doctor's subscription to Private Eye made him at least as expert in ME/CFS as any doctor I have been seen by.

Haha. Good to know these articles are making a real difference.
 
Are we really sure it is AfME here under the @Action for M.E. banner? Or could it be a BPS'ite just trying to stir us up? (Certainly working if it is). Have we taken steps to confirm this really is AfME? Have/could we actually ask them?
They used an official AfME email address to sign up. I would suggest that, just like with anybody else, the reasonable view to take would be to assume they are who they say they are until sufficient doubt about it exists.
 
They used an official AfME email address to sign up. I would suggest that, just like with anybody else, the reasonable view to take would be to assume they are who they say they are until sufficient doubt about it exists.
But email adresses are rediculously easy to spoof, to those who know how. My company is constantly spammed by very dodgy emails that have legitimate-looking company email addresses. I cannot remeber now - when registering with S4ME, do people have an email sent to the address they gave, and have to confirm their registration from that address? Else it may be a bit of a spammer's gift.
 
But email adresses are rediculously easy to spoof, to those who know how. My company is constantly spammed by very dodgy emails that have legitimate-looking company email addresses. I cannot remeber now - when registering with S4ME, do people have an email sent to the address they gave, and have to confirm their registration from that address? Else it may be a bit of a spammer's gift.
You can’t register without confirming your email address via a link sent to that email address.
 
when registering with S4ME, do people have an email sent to the address they gave, and have to confirm their registration from that address?
Of course. Am I right in thinking that the suggestion now is, someone on the BPS side of things, with enough technical knowledge to provide an email address that checks out as an AfME one but actually isn't, has signed up in order to impersonate AfME, yet not post anything so far, on the assumption that members would object to this and therefore cause disruption that would harm the anti-BPS side of things?

I would suggest it is far more likely that AfME, themselves, have signed up for unknown reasons that we have, currently, no way of confirming.
 
You can’t register without confirming your email address via a link sent to that email address.
Fine. I'm reassured now.
Of course. Am I right in thinking that the suggestion now is, someone on the BPS side of things, with enough technical knowledge to provide an email address that checks out as an AfME one but actually isn't, has signed up in order to impersonate AfME, yet not post anything so far, on the assumption that members would object to this and therefore cause disruption that would harm the anti-BPS side of things?
Not a suggestion as in "I think this is what is happening" but a suggestion along the lines of "Could this be a possibility?", which was a valid thing to ask. And I'm glad to say that you and Kina have reassured me it's not an issue - I really could not remember if XenForo did the email cross check or not.
 
ME-Pedia has some potent information about AfME. I'd really appreciate it @Action for M.E. it you would care to discuss some of these things here. The last section, on Membership, seems particularly telling.

http://me-pedia.org/wiki/Action_for_ME
Controversy and conflicts of interest
Action For ME continue to fund the research of Esther Crawley [10]

AFME continue to fund the research of Peter White [11]

AFME have had close links with the insurance industry and psychiatrists who work with the insurance industry and the Department for Work and Pensions. AFME's chairman, Alan Cook, was a chairman of an insurance company.

Michael Sharpe has said "one of the major patient charities (Action for ME) is aligning itself with a more evidence-based approach" in the Unum report of 2002. [12].

AFME also supported the controversial CFS/ME NICE guidelines in 2007 which were opposed by all other patient groups and charities and did not support the judicial review against them [13] [14].

Action For ME did not sign the open letter to Psychological Medicine signed by over 100 signatories including scientists and charities [15]. Numerous patients requested and pursued AFME to sign an open letter to Psychological Medicine in March but after two month delay they issued their statement in May. AFME recently published its response patient concerns regarding the use of CBT and GET and the PACE trial for patients and their failure to sign to the open letter to Psychological Medicine [16] . All major charities from around the world signed with the notable exception of AFME.

Despite repeated requests AFME have still not made a statement about a talk that Esther Crawley, who is a medical advisor and receives funding from AFME, presented at a renal conference that maligned patients and accused David Tuller of libel.

AFME did not support or promote the Millions Missing campaign in 2017 and used alternatives but Sonya Chowdhury used the hashtag #MillionsMissing for fundraising for herself and AFME [17].

AFME have obtained money from private corporate donors and used this anonymous corporate donation to fund the work of the controversial researcher Esther Crawley and her Severe Paediatric Study via the charity [18]. This was questioned and criticised by ME sufferers in forums but AFME removed many posts as they claimed they were defamatory for asking such questions and stated it was from "private corporate donor with a specific interest in seeing the alleviation of childhood suffering" [19]. In 2018 it was announced that AFME would be returning the money but did not provide a full explanation of the sources of the money and the reasons for doing so [20].

Involvement in PACE trial
AFME were involved from the beginning by supporting the PACE trial and its researchers from 2003. AFME do not refer to their involvement with the PACE trial now. However archives are available of their involvement[21]. The PACE trial would not have been funded or conducted without patient support, which AFME provided.

  • "Despite the anger in the patient community, the investigators were able to enlist Action For ME, another major advocacy group, to help design the pacing intervention. They called their operationalization of the strategy “adaptive pacing therapy,” or APT."[22]
  • "From the outset, Action for M.E. and a number of patients were involved in the design of the trial."[25]
  • "The major innovations in this application include close collaboration with Action for ME."[26]
In February 2016 the charity wrote an open letter to Queen Mary University of London supporting the release of the PACE trial data. [27]

Membership
Unlike most charities and many ME charities, AFME does not allow its paying members to become legal members of the charity and therefore have no input into the direction of the charity and voting rights. It only recognises its own trustees as members.
 
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