As we've got a new forum, now when I come across an old annoying thing I thought I might post them up for newcomers' pleasure. There's been a lot of discussion recently of how treatments like CBT can encourage patients to fill in questionnaires more positively, even if more objective measures of their ill health fail to improve. So how do those claiming CBT can lead to full recovery from CFS justify their position? There's a nice one sentence summary from Knoop's 2008 PhD which explains this: "Recovery of CFS was possible, even if the physical activity level of the patient remained low." From p 104 here: https://www.academia.edu/3382407/Is...avioural_therapy_for_chronic_fatigue_syndrome There you go people. Recovery with CBT is possible, just don't expect it to look like you'd want it to. Edit: I should add that Knoop was a co-author of the meta-analysis which found that CBT was associated with patients answering questionnaires more positively, but not with an improvement in objectively measured levels of activity: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047707 Their interpretation of this result seemed to be that CBT was so wonderful it could successfully treat patients symptoms without patients even needing to increase their activity levels.