Perrin Technique

University College of Osteopathy - Raymond Perrin Nov 2019

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME & Fibromyalgia

Dates: 23 - 24 November 2019
Course leader: Dr Raymond Perrin
Cost: £256 - £320

"
The evidence to support the physical diagnostic criteria

A summary of the findings of the clinical trials into the treatment at the Universities of Salford and Manchester together with results of an independent controlled clinical study in Hammersmith Hospital London plus a detailed review of the findings from the diagnostic study published recently in the BMJ Open (Hives L et al. Nov 2017)".


The paper in the BMJ https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/7/11/e017521.full.pdf
is solely about diagnosis
"
Objective To assess five physical signs to see whether
they can assist in the screening of patients with chronic
fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis (CFS/ME)"

https://www.uco.ac.uk/courses/chronic-fatigue-syndromeme-fibromyalgia-0

As far as I know there have not been any clinical trials into the treatment (or at least nothing published). ? Anyone know about these trials mentioned?

 

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"On completion of this two day course delegates are qualified to register as a licenced 'Perrin Technique' practitioner at a discounted price of £20 per month or £200 for the first year of registration (reverting to the regular price of £25 per month or £250 per year there after). This gives you the right to list the Perrin Technique on your own website and will list you as a licenced practitioner on the Perrin Technique website."

?!

 

Thank you again for tagging us - we will get on the case and report back!

 

We've done some investigation and as @Trish higlighted above, the only published information we can find relates to the diagnostic study. And his book. We will try and make contact with him and see if we can find out any more.

We have however had some positive feedback from people saying it has helped so would be interested to hear from anyone who has tried it to find out more about their experiences.

 

I have a copy of his book; would suggest that, if you haven't already, you read it particularly regarding his 'theory' of what causes ME which has, as far as I know, no research/evidence to support it.

As Trish said, like the LP, it has its 'followers', but similarly it is becoming a bit of a pyramid scheme and misleading patients into believing it is based on scientific research based on one small and badly designed RCT on diagnosis of patients with ME (if you have read the research, from memory, they only had HC and pwME to diagnose, so there was a 50/50 chance of 'getting it right').

 

have found a copy of Raymond Perrins Thesis.
In it he mentions a number of 'trials' but I can't find any literature (apart from his) about them.
his thesis
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2723/be174b00626663577f4526f8ff91851262cd.pdf

eta:it is very long, but there are a lot of photos in it.

 

now advertising further 'event' for May 2020
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/chro...bromyalgia-16-17-may-2020-tickets-73795890495

how is this allowed to go on and on?

 

Just found this charity called FORME
Fund for Osteopathic Research into M.E.

which seems to be mainly set up to fund Raymond Perrins 'research'.

http://www.forme-cfs.org.uk/latest-research/

there is someone who has a son with ME

who is doing regular fundraising for them.
https://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/fu...ndraiserPage?userUrl=NIGELBROOKWELL&pageUrl=4

I don't get it. Is he not aware of all the other real research going on(?)

 

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Into the looking glass: Post-viral syndrome post COVID-19, 2020, Perrin et al

Free full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7320866

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306987720318260?via=ihub

Medical Hypotheses
Volume 144, November 2020, 110055

Letter to Editors
Into the looking glass: Post-viral syndrome post COVID-19
RayPerrin
LisaRiste
MarkHann
The School of Medicine and Manchester Academic Health Sciences Centre, Manchester University, UK
Author links open overlay panelAndreasWalther
The University of Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland
Author links open overlay panelAnniceMukherjee
The School of Medicine and Manchester Academic Health Sciences Centre, Manchester University, UK
Author links open overlay panelAdrianHeald
The School of Medicine and Manchester Academic Health Sciences Centre, Manchester University, UK
Department of Endocrinology and Diabetes, Salford Royal Hospital, Salford, UK
Received 17 June 2020, Accepted 26 June 2020, Available online 27 June 2020.


https://doi.org/10.1016/j.mehy.2020.110055

 

A lot of it is an info-mercial by Perrin et al for the Perrin technique as a treatment for post-Covid symptoms - what a surprise...

 

I saw this last night. I find the whole thing quite strange. It is like an advertisement, but it's in an obscure journal that very few potential patients will ever see. A couple of things stood out:

(i) There is no such place as 'Manchester University'. It's the University of Manchester.
(ii) More importantly, Raymond Perrin does not, as far as I'm aware, hold an appointment at the University of Manchester, so his affiliation is either wrong or fraudulent.
(iii) Why so many co-authors on what is essentially an annecdote from his clinic?
(iv) There is no statement that the patient actually tested positive for Covid19.

EDIT:
(v) If he was Covid-positive, why was he being treated in a private clinic* in May?

* I assume this man was treated at one of Perrin's clinics in North Manchester.

Bizzare.

 

Very old video has been posted on Youtube by a Perrin Technique practitioner.

(https://www.robinkiashek.co.uk/ Robin is London Osteopath and Naturopath with clinics in Central London, Soho and North London, registered with both The General Osteopathic Council and The British Naturopathic Association)

Code:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPZ9d0rsfM

 

I've tried it on myself in 2015/16 with the steps that are described in the book using a dry brush (the ones on a stick).

It didnt do anything for me but, of course, it could be I did it all wrong.

I must say, his explanations did make sense but dont they all until they are never backed up by studies.

 

The owner of this channel has just copied a video that was already on YouTube, and which I've watched before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZK2MtkhcHk

 

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I know there is a thread on the Perrin technique but, I have just picked up on this new course of his.

https://cpd.uco.ac.uk/the-lymphatic...y-diagnosis-and-management-23-24-october-2021

is any of this backed up by evidence? (apart from his one 'diagnosis of CFS' 'RCT')

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