Researcher Interactions UK ME/CFS Biobank Ask Me Anything thread, Thursday 14th December 2017, 2.30 to 3.30pm GMT/UTC

Andy

Andy

Retired committee member
We are delighted to confirm that the UK ME/CFS Biobank team (Project Lead & Clinical Lecturer, Dr Eliana Lacerda, Co-Principal Investigator Dr Luis Nacul, Research Nurse & Biobank Coordinator Caroline Kingdon and Project Manager (Administrative & Financial) Jack Butterworth) will be taking part in an Ask Me Anything this coming Thursday with us, so get your thinking caps on so that we have something to ask them. :)

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While I have no expectation of any issues, for the record I'd like to say the following:
  • Even though it's an "Ask Me Anything thread", it's not an "I'll Reply To Anything" thread. There may be some things that they won't be able to answer for various reasons (confidentiality, professional courtesy, etc) and as they have limited time with us, the focus will be on those questions they can answer.
  • The Biobank team are our guests here, and giving us some of their valuable time. Our crack team of moderating ninjas will be on high alert to any posts that break our forum rules, or that are not in the spirit of the event.
Should you wish to have a look at the work they are doing then their website is here, http://cureme.lshtm.ac.uk/, and if you wish to support their efforts through a donation, their Christmas donation appeal page is here, https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ukmecfsbiobank

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This thread will remain closed until shortly before the event, if you want to discuss it, the pre-event thread is here, https://www.s4me.info/index.php?thr...g-thread-this-thursday-pre-event-thread.1459/.

ETA: Added the team members who are likely to be answering questions.
ETA2: Updated team members and added pictures.
 
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Thread is now open. Please keep any questions polite and as clear and concise as possible. And thank you to the Biobank team for taking the time to be here with us.

Forum members, if you have any questions in the pre-event thread, https://www.s4me.info/index.php?thr...g-thread-this-thursday-pre-event-thread.1459/, please transfer them here.

ETA: I'll try and keep track of what is asked and if a question on the previous thread isn't transferred over, or otherwise asked, I'll do my best to make sure it appears.

ETA2: Slide show of the Q&A now created.
 
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I assume that the longitudinal study is aimed at looking for correlations between changes in peoples reported symptom level and blood markers over time?

In doing this does this allow people to be references to themselves in terms of blood markers? And hence pick out potentially important indicators?

If you are doing this will you have a sufficient sample rate (i.e. samples over time) to pick out potentially leading or lagging indicators?

Also how much data (people, time points) will you need to pick out possible correlations?
 
I'd like to ask whether there is a central way of storing the data from all the trials on the biobank patients so, for example, associations could be looked for between the outcomes of, say, a metabolomics study, a cytokine study and a genetic study on the same patients. And will this data be accessible to other researchers to work on such cross study analysis.

I'd also like to ask whether there are links with other biobanks and if so, what are the benefits of doing so, for example collating genetic data.
 
Adrian said:
I assume that the longitudinal study is aimed at looking for correlations between changes in peoples reported symptom level and blood markers over time?

In doing this does this allow people to be references to themselves in terms of blood markers? And hence pick out potentially important indicators?

If you are doing this will you have a sufficient sample rate (i.e. samples over time) to pick out potentially leading or lagging indicators?

Also how much data (people, time points) will you need to pick out possible correlations?
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Yes- it absolutely part of our research to correlate reported symptom levels with biological markers. Excitingly, this is taking place over a longitudinal study- we will be collecting blood every six months from participants as part of our second phase study running from this autumn until 2021, and the lab and clinical data can be integrated to pick out potentially important indicators.
 
Another group of question from me.

The longitudinal study that is being funded by the NIH.

Are there any results from this so far?

Are you looking at mitochondrial energy production like in the recent Newcastle University study which showed low mitochondrial activity in blood cells. If so, are you using the Seahorse technology as they did?
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0186802

And are the patients in the longitudinal study wearing actometers as a gauge of activity levels over time?
 
Trish said:
Are you looking at mitochondrial energy production like in the recent Newcastle University study which showed low mitochondrial activity in blood cells. If so, are you using the Seahorse technology as they did?
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0186802
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I have a further question relating to this study. One of the things they seemed to be reporting was differences between fresh and frozen samples. Could this be an issue for the biobank and have you looked at it?
 
Trish said:
I'd like to ask whether there is a central way of storing the data from all the trials on the biobank patients so, for example, associations could be looked for between the outcomes of, say, a metabolomics study, a cytokine study and a genetic study on the same patients. And will this data be accessible to other researchers to work on such cross study analysis.

I'd also like to ask whether there are links with other biobanks and if so, what are the benefits of doing so, for example collating genetic data.
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Theoretically, this is very possible- we have 44 aliquots from each participant so one could cross-reference different studies' results using each person's unique identifier. This data can be made accessible to researchers requesting data.

-- Luis/Eliana
 
I'm sure I should be able to put this more concisely:

I've thought that a good way of getting more CFS studies done, would be to have researchers for other conditions make use of 'CFS' as an ill-health control, where patients were likely to have a range of different causes of their own ill-health, and suffer from many of the secondary problems related to ill-health. eg: if there was a potentially interesting abnormality found in those with MS, compared to healthy control, checking to see if it was shared by CFS patients might help let people assess how likely it was to be specifically related to MS.

Is something like that a potential use of the biobank, that could appeal to researchers looking for a control group? Does the uncertainty about the causes of CFS mean it's something other researchers might avoid as an ill-health control group? Or would differences in the way samples were collected for the biobank vs independently collected samples for other conditions mean that this is not something the biobank is really suited to?
 
Trish said:
Another group of question from me.

The longitudinal study that is being funded by the NIH.

Are there any results from this so far?

Are you looking at mitochondrial energy production like in the recent Newcastle University study which showed low mitochondrial activity in blood cells. If so, are you using the Seahorse technology as they did?
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0186802

And are the patients in the longitudinal study wearing actometers as a gauge of activity levels over time?
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The CureME team is not specifically looking at mitochondrial energy production- though the biobank has enabled Karl Morten's study on energy metabolism and it has been a real pleasure sharing our samples with him.

-- Luis
 
Trish said:
Another group of question from me.

The longitudinal study that is being funded by the NIH.

Are there any results from this so far?

Are you looking at mitochondrial energy production like in the recent Newcastle University study which showed low mitochondrial activity in blood cells. If so, are you using the Seahorse technology as they did?
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0186802

And are the patients in the longitudinal study wearing actometers as a gauge of activity levels over time?
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And to reply to your question re the NIH- our clinical/clinical epidemiology papers have started coming out, and you can find all of our publications here: http://cureme.lshtm.ac.uk/about-us/publications/. Some of the preliminary lab results (in the areas of immunology, virology and gene expression) are very exciting, and are due for publication in the first of 2018; keep your eyes peeled!

-- Jack/Luis
 
Another question. Are you getting enough good quality applications to use the biobank materials for studies? If not, how can this be accelerated? And are the Medical Research Council funding any projects that use this resource?
 
Is the ME Biobank done in conjunction with other BioBanks so that data can be compared across different populations of people with chronic illnesses. Would this help pull out things that may be due to inactivity vs particular signals for ME?
 
The UK ME/CFS Biobank said:
Yes- it absolutely part of our research to correlate reported symptom levels with biological markers. Excitingly, this is taking place over a longitudinal study- we will be collecting blood every six months from participants as part of our second phase study running from this autumn until 2021, and the lab and clinical data can be integrated to pick out potentially important indicators.
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Can you tell us anything about the types of analyses that are planned and the numbers of patients that would be involved?
 
strategist said:
How many applications from researchers requesting samples is the biobank getting? Is interest in ME/CFS increasing?
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We definitely feel interest in ME/CFS is increasing - we think that with Unrest, our NIH renewal and the NIH Centres of Excellence, and the review of the NICE guidelines, that we have seen something of a tipping point in the second half of this year with regard to the study of ME/CFS.

We have distributed samples to four teams in the last eight months (since opening) in Brazil, Oxford, Spain and here at the LSHTM. Others have inquired about the biobank, with three applications in the pipeline including one received last week. We are definitely seeing an uptick in growth!

-- Jack
 
Adrian said:
Is the ME Biobank done in conjunction with other BioBanks so that data can be compared across different populations of people with chronic illnesses. Would this help pull out things that may be due to inactivity vs particular signals for ME?
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We have envisaged this possibility - we have inquired about working with other (non-ME/CFS-specific) biobanks in this effort, and we are also partnering with other biobanks in Europe with ME/CFS collections to encourage harmonisation of protocols. Other biobanks in Europe have adapted their protocols to be based on ours, to enable sharing of samples and to increase the quantity of available data in the future.

-- Eliana
 
Trish said:
Another question. Are you getting enough good quality applications to use the biobank materials for studies? If not, how can this be accelerated? And are the Medical Research Council funding any projects that use this resource?
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Our reply to 'strategist' gives some background on the applications we have received, and we have provided samples for studies of real quality. Of course, we would love to see an increase in applications - the more studies into ME/CFS, the better - but we are really pleased with what we have seen thus far. All applications are peer-reviewed and ethically-reviewed, but submitting an outline application is not an onerous process. We hope to be seeing more next year!

No projects funded by the MRC currently use UKMEB samples.

-- Caroline/Luis
 
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