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The Psychologist: "Does psychology face an exaggeration crisis?", article by Brian Hughes

Discussion in 'Research methodology news and research' started by Andy, Dec 22, 2018.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-31/october-2018/does-psychology-face-exaggeration-crisis

    Seems to me that many of the things he talks about aren't exclusive to the psychology world.
     
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  2. Barry

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    Wow - @Brian Hughes is not backwards in coming forwards is he! Well done Brian :).
     
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    One could say that psychology is too positive :D.
     
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  4. Peter Trewhitt

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    Well said @Brian Hughes

    It is so frustrating that issues being discussed forty years ago and more have still not been properly addressed.
     
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    "Further inflation inflects from the interface of academia, public relations, media churnalism, and secondary reporting. When university press officers convert abstracts into press releases, the process frequently involves cherry-picking of results, non-specialist re-writing, and a sanguine tolerance of error. These processes of ‘sharpening’ afflict all kinds of news-reporting."

    hmmm, sounds familiar
     
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    I particularly like the suggestion of a radical shake up of the whole way research is published. Excellent article, @Brian Hughes.

    Also very pertinent to the paper we have been discussing this week with its overblown claims and media hype orchestrated by the SMC. See this thread.
     
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    Very interesting article, @Brian Hughes - how is it going down with your colleagues in psychology?
     
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    Indeed, it is an excellent example of one of the more destructive forms of positive feedback, where something goes into "runaway mode", recursively feeding on itself rather than on anything independently grounded.

    I would think like a lead balloon in some quarters ;)
     
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    Such clear and engaging writing - for me, it is not only @Brian Hughes content that makes his writing compelling, it is his disarming style: "Not another article about the crisis in psychology, you might complain..."

    I think this is my favourite bit:

    "So long as exaggeration in psychology is rewarded, it will continue to be prevalent. This just might include a tendency to exaggerate the degree to which our replication crisis is being successfully addressed, and to pat ourselves collectively on the back for all the good work we are doing."

    I think @dave30th referred to this as a "circle jerk".
     
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    If it's not an intentional dig, it's still pretty good. That Independent article where Sharpe went too far and presented CBT/GET as a cure comes to mind as a perfect example of this type of dishonesty in research, hyping conclusions to a degree that is as far from the conclusion as the conclusion is from the underlying data.

    Sharpening: to exaggerate the results of bad science, itself conducted with deceit and without concern for the patients it claims to help. Ah, to be a verb, a fitting legacy to hubris and unscientific thought.
     
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    A pointed remark?
     
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    Good question. My immediate thought was to wonder how this was all being received. My guess is that some of his colleagues -- the ones who've noticed the same issues -- are effusive in their praise. And the rest are grumbling darkly into their respective beers.
     
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    That's a new one on me; I like it. :D

    Mike VanElzakker recently posted this one:

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    Kaiser Permanente says those practicing gratitude have better immune systems. I wish I were joking.

    gratitude.png
     
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    Surely not better than those of people already perfect at the art.
     
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    I found this article on the same website: https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/...onic-fatigue-syndrome-suitable-case-treatment
    The article is from the 1990s, it's full of references to Wessely, Sharpe, White, Chalder, and even Elaine Showalter.
     
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    Were do they find them?

    EDIT Perhaps there is an alternative hypothesis, that only those who don't really try very hard to get better do.

    EDIT My mistake. I thought this must be the Peter Spencer associated with Afme, but it appears that the only similarity is the name.
     
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    And yet penetratingly blunt.
     
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    I thnk you're quoting the new political holy grail.

    If only all citizens would be grateful for the oppressive policies of government (in league with corporations). What a happy day that would be. The elite would throw an obscenely lavish celebration to mark the day. Oh, and we're not invited.

    Gratitude is the ultimate placebo.

    Edit for clarity
     

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