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The Medical Care Blog: The myth of female hysteria and health disparities among women

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS news' started by Andy, Mar 25, 2018.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

    Hampshire, UK

    Also appeared originally here. Click on title to access.
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  2. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    We have been attacked by gremlins
    A 1994 study by Pawlikowska, Trudie Chalder and Simon Wessely, looking at general fatigue and psychological distress, found that women are more likely to complain of fatigue; and that the commonest reasons for fatigue were work, family, and lifestyle ('psychosocial', 40% of patients). Their conclusion was that fatigue is closely associated with 'psychological morbidity'.[3]
    • A 2000 response by Martin Bland[1], a professor of mathematical statistics, questioned the seemingly impossible statistical results of that study, and some other statistical errors.[4].
    • A response from Chalder and Wessely admitted the error and said:
    'Somewhere between the analysis and the printed copy we have been attacked by gremlins. Sadly, the passage of time, theft of a computer containing the original draft, and the fact that none of us can find the proofs anymore, mean that we have no idea when this happened.'[5]
    • David Marchevsky, a consultant psychiatrist, responded on the dangers of 'unsupported conclusions derived from faulty analyses', especially when 'this doctor was an important key figure in a Cochrane collaboration group.'[6]
    • Jon Håvard Loge wrote that he had a copy of the original 1993 manuscript submitted for review, which did not include the errors, and he suggested that 'The gremlins seem to have attacked somewhere in the production line because the referees at the BMJ reviewed a manuscript with correct means.'[7]
    "Missing proofs, theft of a computer and passage of time might seem like poor excuses and indicate unreliable researchers."
    • Simon Wessely replied, reaffirming that the BMJ was attacked by gremlins.[8]
    • Anthony Pelosi, who reviewed the original manuscript, responded that he had told the authors of a number of statistical errors, and suggestions to fix them.[9]
    • Richard Smith, the editor of the BMJ, replied that the errors were "ultimately unimportant", and suggested a dinner be held.[10]"
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  3. Allele

    Allele Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Gee, Wessely et al seem to have a lot of data, drafts, and computers go missing. Curious!
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  4. Amw66

    Amw66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    As Carol Monaghan sits on science and technology committee and has concerns re integrity of research this may be worth forwarding - creates a context
  5. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Its Autism Awareness week.
    Saw this on the TV last night;
    Autism in girls leaves families waiting years for help

    Not so long ago it was thought that only boys had autism. But there is growing evidence that autism among girls is a hidden problem that we just don't see or understand,

    Because the condition looks different in young women and girls, some families wait many years for a diagnosis and even longer to get proper help."

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  6. Inara

    Inara Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Such things were really said! And:
    I think this is supposed to be funny. And I could laugh indeed if it wasn't for this statement:

    This, without any doubt, reveals a highly questionable character unfit for scientific work.
    (The quotes are from reference [8].)

    That's just so unbelievable.

    Edit: Read also reference 5, and I am left flabbergasted...Really...don't know what to say. I thought the gremlins passage was a joke...Proof of an all embracing incompetence of PACE authors (at least when it comes to statistics...)
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2018
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  7. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

    UK West Midlands
    Sort it all out over dinner old chap - how much more establishment than that can you get
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  8. Seven

    Seven Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Maybe we need a chronological missing data papers and computers paper publish to bring attention to the tactics of this group.
    “ Satatistical analysis of things gone wrong, computer missing, data wrong.... for Wesley Et al.
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