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The Guardian's Science Weekly podcast - 2 November 2018 - What role should the public play in science?

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    Sarah Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What role should the public play in science? - Science Weekly podcast

    The Guardian's Science Weekly podcast , 2 Nov 2018
    https://www.theguardian.com/science...public-play-in-science-science-weekly-podcast

     
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    As usual, they gobble it all down without a single critical thought or question.

    *sigh*
     
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    MS:
    "everybody can go to twitter and they will see not very pleasant comments to me"

    Did MS engaging on twitter have ever had any aim other than collecting "abusive" replies?
    Anyway, I hope people will go to see how he treats anyone with a different view from his.
     
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    At least as it is from the Grauniad one can feel reasonably certain that this would have been produced by the Science Weakly team.
     
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    The Guardian's, gonna Guardian. It's in the name, and in the very foundation of the paper. I wish more people knew of why the Guardian came into existence. Certainly not as a Guardian of ordinary people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
     
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    It might be thought that there is emerging a pattern of behaviour providing circumstantial evidence as to the likely source of the journalistic briefings.
     
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    I'm working on a transcript.
     
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    part 1
     
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    part 2
     
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    Row, row, row your boat...
     
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    part 3
     
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    Ian Sample (The Guardian's Science editor) presents The Guardian's Science Weekly podcast looking at the public influence on science with a focus on ME/CFS. The show features Michael Sharpe.

    You can email Science Weekly at scienceweekly@theguardian.com
     
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    I made myself listen. Cruel and unusual punishment. What an appalling misrepresentation of the situation. Every falsehood told in such 'reasonable' tones.

    Michael Sharpe, if you are reading this, you should be ashamed of yourself. How can you describe hundreds of doctors and scientists and very scientifically savvy patients who have criticised PACE as anti-science? It is you, with your lies about the reasons for the objections and the outcomes of the trial who are anti-science.
     
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    part 4
    taking a break now.
     
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    After reading too many of their shit papers I am absolutely sure they fear the "informed citizen", and they want "the old good times" where the doctor was God and you the obedient servant. It's a well-known means in dictatorships: to withhold information, e.g. via the internet or meetings (like self-help groups), and to enforce hierarchy. The problem is, it seems to me, that the ME community is getting louder; that destroys their "scapegoat group" for discrimination. In politics, there's a saying: If animosity rises (e.g. bad publicity, lies, propaganda) you're in the right direction.
    Let's hope we're in the right direction.
     
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    I made myself listen too. Even by the Guardian's usual standards of ME/CFS coverage, this was an appallingly one-sided piece of reportage (I can't bring myself to call it 'journalism').

    "And now on the Guardian's podcast series, Michael Sharpe is allowed to say whatever he likes for half an hour without questioning, interruption or counterpoint..."
     
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    The notion of "unpleasant comments" is highly subjective MS. In your case it is simply a case of the truth hurting, even though those truths are spoken to you very civilly.
     
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