Interesting thread
Three professors at the University of Southampton school of medicine have this week made a “major breakthrough” in the treatment of coronavirus patients and become paper millionaires at the same time.
Almost two decades ago professors Ratko Djukanovic, Stephen Holgate and Donna Davies discovered that people with asthma and chronic lung disease lacked a protein called interferon beta, which helps fight off the common cold. They worked out that patients’ defences against viral infection could be boosted if the missing protein were replaced.
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“It is part of the coronavirus’s strategy to interfere with the immune system and suppress interferon beta, so if we can put it back in, we can have dramatic effect.”
Results of the initial trial, published this week, showed that coronavirus patients in hospital given a special formulation of the professors’ interferon beta drug, called SNG001, delivered directly to their airways via a nebuliser, were two to three times more likely to recover than those given a placebo.
I don't quite understand this paper. Of 50,000 suspected covid cases/ hospital staff they screened from March to July 2020, approx 40% had Sars-Cov-2 antibodies detected using their ELISA test (Mount Sinai).
Yet, by their conclusions the authors seems to be ignoring the 60% who had no antibodies detected.
An earlier analysis performed with a smaller subset of 568 PCR-confirmed individuals using the same ELISA showed that >99% of them developed an anti-spike antibody response (9). In a later dataset of 2,347 patients who self-reported positive PCR, 95% of them had positive antibody titers, indicating we are not missing large numbers of patients and confirming our prior sensitivity findings.
But the volume of coronavirus antibodies drops sharply once the acute illness ends. Now it is increasingly clear that these tests may also produce false-negative results, missing antibodies to the coronavirus that are present at low levels.
Moreover, some tests — including those made by Abbott and Roche and offered by Quest Diagnostics and LabCorp — are designed to detect a subtype of antibodies that doesn’t confer immunity and may wane even faster than the kind that can destroy the virus.
The most powerful antibodies recognize a piece of the coronavirus’s spike protein, the receptor binding domain, or R.B.D. That is the part of the virus that docks onto human cells. Antibodies that recognize the R.B.D. can neutralize the virus and prevent infection.
But the Roche and Abbott tests that are now widely available — and several others authorized by the Food and Drug Administration — instead look for antibodies to a protein called the nucleocapsid, or N, that is bound up with the virus’s genetic material.
Officials at the Food and Drug Administration did not respond to requests for comment on whether the two tests target the appropriate antibodies.
There’s another wrinkle to the story. Some reports now suggest that antibodies to the viral nucleocapsid may decline faster than those to R.B.D. or to the entire spike — the really effective ones.
What it feels like to survive COVID-19’s dreaded “cytokine storm”
A doctor and coronavirus patient in recovery describes his experience surviving COVID-19's worst side effect
Keith A. Spencer
April 5, 2020 11:30PM (UTC)
Of all the possible compounding effects of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, the cytokine storm is one of the most feared. An immune system overreaction in which the body is flooded with the eponymous signaling molecules, those who suffer a cytokine storm are at risk of dying at the hand of their own immune system, as an indirect effect of the virus they are fighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ0cC7IZBr0&feature=youtu.be
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on symptoms a question that's often
asked is why my blood oxygen levels
normal my saturations are normal but i'm
still feeling breathless and in fact in
hospitals we see
the opposite we see people who are
remarkably not breathless despite
very low blood oxygen levels and this
condition is really
weird there seems to be a disconnect
between the oxygen levels in the blood
and how breathless somebody feels
there's lots of reasons for this the
lungs basic function is to get
oxygen into the blood from the air and
get rid of carbon dioxide
and it can do that relatively
straightforwardly there's just a single
cell that the oxygen has to cross to get
into the bloodstream
now that can be happening well but the
lungs can still be stiff
and that will make us feel breathless
they might be stiff because they're full
of fluid from the illness they might
have
protein and inflammation products stuck
inside them from the illness
and a few people might have a degree of
scarring and they might have had blood
clots
all of those conditions will make the
lung feel abnormal make it feel stiff in
many cases
and it's thought to be these pulmonary
c-fiber receptors
that are saying to the brain look this
lung stiff
i'm finding it hard work i'm going to
make you feel breathless
the good news is your blood oxygen
levels are normal and the other bit of
good news
is that we expect that the
breathlessness will gradually improve
over time but we've got to take baby
steps with it
Discussed here:This is quite an interesting article on various symptoms and some of the research that is starting up.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ovid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists
As millions of people are recovering from COVID-19, an unanswered question is the extent to which the virus can “hide out” in seemingly recovered individuals. If it does, could this explain some of the lingering symptoms of COVID-19 or pose a risk for transmission of infection to others even after recovery?
A latent virus can reactivate and produce infectious viruses, and this can occur months to decades after the initial infection. Perhaps the best example of this is chickenpox, which although seemingly eradicated by the immune system can reactivate and cause herpes zoster decades later.
Hello, familiar viruses that we see all the time as potential triggers for ME-like disease.This is a large family of viruses whose genetic material, or genome, is encoded by DNA (and not RNA such as the new coronavirus). Herpes viruses include not only herpes simplex viruses 1 and 2 – which cause oral and genital herpes – but also chickenpox. Other herpes viruses, such as Epstein Barr virus, the cause of mononucleosis, and cytomegalovirus, which is a particular problem in immunodeficient individuals, can also emerge after latency.
This is why the dogmatic belief systems over the psychosomatic nature of most neurological symptoms is facing disaster with the real world. Here is the quote about privileged sites:Recovery from COVID-19 is delayed or incomplete in many individuals, with symptoms including cough, shortness of breath and fatigue. It seems unlikely that these constitutional symptoms are due to viral persistence as the symptoms are not coming from immune privileged sites.
There's also the fact that the CNS is basically connected to every single part of the body. As privileged sites go, this is basically a multipass.There are a few places in the body that are less accessible to the immune system and where it is difficult to eradicate all viral infections. These include the central nervous system, the testes and the eye.
An interesting account from a pulmonologist who survived covid:
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/05/what-it-feels-like-to-survive-covid-19s-dreaded-cytokine-storm/
For these reasons, the term cytokine storm may be misleading in COVID-19 ARDS. Incorporating a poorly defined pathophysiological entity lacking a firm biological diagnosis may only further increase uncertainty about how best to manage this heterogeneous population of patients. The manifestations of elevated circulating mediators in the purported cytokine storm are likely to be endothelial dysfunction and systemic inflammation leading to fever, tachycardia, tachypnea, and hypotension. This constellation of symptoms already has a long history in critical care, known as systemic inflammatory response syndrome, and was used to define sepsis for decades. Interventions targeting single cytokines in sepsis, unfortunately, also have a long history of failure. Although the term cytokine storm conjures up dramatic imagery and has captured the attention of the mainstream and scientific media, the current data do not support its use. Until new data establish otherwise, the linkage of cytokine storm to COVID-19 may be nothing more than a tempest in a teapot.
How does he know he had a cytokine storm when is cytokine levels weren't measured? He was also taking an IL-6 inhibitor, suggesting that something other than a cytokine storm was going on.
Dr. Meryl Nass has uncovered a hornet’s nest of government sponsored Hydroxychloroquine experiments that were designed to kill severely ill, Covid-19 hospitalized patients. On June 14th Dr. Nass first identified two Covid-19 experiments in which massive, high toxic doses – four times higher than usual of hydroxychloroquine were being given to severely ill hospitalized patients in intensive care units.
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My total lack of trust in the medical profession has never been more justified :
Title : Covid-19 Has Turned Public Health Into a Lethal, Patient-Killing Experimental Endeavor
Link : https://ahrp.org/covid-19-has-turne...lethal-patient-killing-experimental-endeavor/
I wonder how accurate that article is. The author's list of other articles seem to include some antivaccination articles, again I have no idea of their accuracy. Does anyone know anything about the reliability of the organisation's website?Title : Covid-19 Has Turned Public Health Into a Lethal, Patient-Killing Experimental Endeavor
Link : https://ahrp.org/covid-19-has-turne...lethal-patient-killing-experimental-endeavor/