Discussion in 'BioMedical ME/CFS Research' started by Andy, Mar 10, 2018.
Does the microbiome contribute causally to any syndrome?
I had the same thought when I read about Jackson Labs on this thread.
I know it's an area Maureen Hanson is also interested in.
Seems to be a lot of research on the microbiome but is it warranted?
A couple of recent studies have shown similar reductions in the micorbiome's diversity in ME/CFS as is seen in Chron's disease and chronic ulcerative colitis (the two major types of "inflammatory bowel disease," or IBD). I believe whether that reduction in diversity is a cause or a consequence of those diseases is currently unknown. Understanding what's behind the reduced diversity in the microbiome of those diseases and ME/CFS, however, might provide insights into causation and/or treatment.
It's kind of interesting that one of the primary drugs used to treat Chron's disease and chronic ulcerative colitis, i.e. azulfidine (sulfasalazine), is also used to treat rheumatoid arthritis.
The problem is that the effect on the GI tract in both cases is likely to affect the microbiome and while IBS is common in ME/CFS there doesn't appear to be any distinguishing underlying pathology of the GI tract.
If they could point to X disease where a reduction in microbiome diversity results in Y symptoms where fatigue (exertion intolerance or whatever) is prominent then there might be a stronger case to suspect similar mechanisms in ME/CFS.
I only read your quote @Andy but this strikes me as a fishing expedition.
That said without a proven disease mechanism i suppose its hard to do much better.
On balance I dont think the microbiome is the answer to the ME CFIDS I have because it is imho evidently an interaction between human infecting viruses and my immune system, because ME onset was synchronous with a marked infection for me but I do think that standardisation and replication of studies is an important necessary discipline whatever science is being done.
Besides which you dont know unless you look and there may be a subtype of CFS the microbiome is relevant for, in which case, best to identify it so it can be considered in development of diagnostic criteria and subtyping.
It's the latest paper from the Quadram Institute (QI) Bioscience team at Norwich Research Park UK, hub of the Invest in ME Research Centre of Excellence for ME. They started their biomedical research programme (got underway Oct. 2013 with patient samples taken from 2014) with the gut because of its importance to the immune system. They're taking a strategic and collaborative approach to their investigations and this is why they highlight the need for study design to be consistent to allow statistical comparison between different microbiome studies.
This collaborative work is facilitated by the annual IiME Research Conference and particularly, the Biomedical Research into ME Colloquium.
I'm hoping that one of the students involved will have time to produce a lay summary of this paper for the IiME Research Blogs.
Previous blogs by IiMER-funded PhD students Katharine Seton (QI) and Fane Mensah (UCL) are here:
A blog by former IiMER-funded medical student (now qualified medical doctor) Navena Navaneetharaja, on the team's first review paper in 2016, ' A Role for the Intestinal Microbiota and Virome in Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS)?' is here: http://blogs.ifr.ac.uk/ghfs/2016/07/me-cfs-virome/
As part of the international collaboration, Navena spent three months at Cornell in Maureen Hanson's lab.
Just seen this tweeted by PhD candidate Katharine Seton...
Incidentally, just spotted this on Twitter too, but haven't read it yet...
This 2017 study from Columbia's Center for Infection and Immunity showed that differing levels of various gut bacteria (called "abnormal levels" in the press release) distinguished ME/CFS patients from healthy controls and also distinguished ME/CFS patients with IBS symptoms from those without IBS symptoms. [Prior studies have reported that the number of ME/CFS patients with IBS symptoms ranges from 30 to 90 percent.]
The differences in gut bacteria levels were strong enough to be "predictive" when it came to distinguishing ME/CFS patients with IBS symptoms from those without IBS symptoms, and the levels of another subset of bacteria "appeared to be predictive" of ME/CFS itself.
Highlights from the press release:
I see the topic is on the agenda of the 'Thinking the Future' day for early career researchers next month...
-Immune system and its interaction with gut microbes and viruses and ME
-Virus populations within the gut virobiota of ME patients
A March 2018 update to the page on Ramsay Awards 2017 Team 3 includes a Q & A with Fiona Newberry following publication of the article: https://solvecfs.org/smci-ramsay-awards-2017-meet-research-team-3/
Bump, for reasons that will become clear shortly
Plz let it be because of good research
I'm finalising details on a Q&A with Prof Carding - he is senior author on this paper - so one of the things I'll be discussing is their research, https://www.s4me.info/threads/quest...ding-of-the-quadram-institute-june-2019.9837/
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