Petition to request updating of the description of ME/CFS in Kumar and Clark’s Clinical Medicine textbook.

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  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    "Dear Elsevier (publisher),

    Petition to request updating of the description of ME/CFS in Kumar and Clark’s Clinical Medicine textbook.

    We the undersigned, request that the next edition of Kumar and Clark’s Clinical Medicine, due in 2025, addresses the following 5 points:"

    Details and to sign, https://www.change.org/p/me-cfs-changing-the-definition
     
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  2. cassava7

    cassava7 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I’m surprised to see Dr Nina Muirhead sign this petition independently and not on behalf of Doctors with ME. Does anyone know why that is?
     
  3. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    It may be simply that the petition has only just started, and DwME haven't had time to discuss and make a decision on behalf of the organisation yet.
     
  4. Sid

    Sid Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think the way this is phrased (already discussed in a previous thread when a draft version was first posted) is counterproductive and may damage us further.

    Elsevier is not going to take these weak arguments seriously. Patient advocacy groups have been making the same arguments for 40+ years and nothing has changed because these arguments are faulty and ineffective.
     
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  5. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It likely won't matter to us in the near future, but there will be a tipping point and the sheer mass of people telling the medical profession that they are wrong will be critical in making sure it stops happening. If it's to happen anyway.

    I'm not really sure whether there is more consistent and accurate warning about debunking psychosomatic ideology, or climate change. For sure climate science going back decades is solid, but it doesn't take that much to debunk psychosomatic ideology, certainly doesn't take satellites and a space program, and the mass of people, reports, documentaries, articles, papers and so on is probably far larger than it is for climate change and the effect of greenhouse gases.

    IMO that's the only way psychosomatic ideology gets shot twice in the back and buried deep for good: the sheer embarrassment from all the ignored warnings. It won't matter until the tipping point, but until then the more there is, the quicker the end of this wretched ideology happens. The fact that medical publishers don't take this seriously only adds to the embarrassment, because it may not be perfectly argued, but it's technically correct, the best kind of correct.
     
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  6. Sid

    Sid Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think ultimately the only thing that will make a difference is incontrovertible and replicated evidence of organic pathology. Telling the medical profession that they are wrong while citing political statements from 2006 and personal opinions of some doctors like Komaroff is never going to make one iota of difference. If these sorts of arguments worked, we wouldn't be where we are.
     

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