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Personality and fatal diseases: Revisiting a scientific scandal, 2019, Pelosi

Discussion in 'Other psychosomatic news and research' started by Andy, Feb 23, 2019.

  1. TiredSam

    TiredSam Committee Member

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    https://www.dr-lechner.de/assets/Artikel/Autonome-Selbstbalance.pdf

    Here is an article from 2002 by a quack dentist in Munich, which cites RGM's "Autonomic Self Regulation" often, and introduces a machine to help you do it. Of interest to us is this:

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    These are photographs of the Aura of the feet of a purported sufferer of CFS/depression, before and after treatment.

    Treatment was listening to Mozart for 5 minutes with this:

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    Heidelberg, RGM's stomping ground, is the centre of psychosomatic medicine in Germany, with the oldest clinic which describes itself as follows:

    This is the clinic my doctor tried to send me to when I first presented myself with ME symptoms. He even tried to trick me by telling me that it was a clinic for rare illnesses, but when I phoned the receptionist answered with "psychosomatic clinic Heidelberg" and asked me when I would like an appointment. Thankfully I was clued up and extricated myself immediately, otherwise they would be having their wicked way with me to this day.

    So for me it's not so much about Eysenck, horrendous though that is, but more about RGM, who wrote the crap in the first place, and, unlike Eysenck, is still alive and well and peddling his magic in a very receptive environment which happens to be my home town. Which is the reason why I had to go to Berlin for a diagnosis, and daren't go near a doctor and mention ME around here.

    I used to think that the great thing about living in Heidelberg was that if you get ill, you're in one of the best places. They've got a world famous, nobel-prizewinning cancer research centre, so I though that was me sorted in later life. Then I get ME and find out I'm in a hotbed of magical thinking and one of the most dangerous places on the planet for an ME sufferer, UK included (nobody does it like the Germans - Simon Wessely wants what the Germans have got - institutionalised and popularly accepted magic). What are the chances?
     
  2. TiredSam

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    This is what Wessely wants:

    (5 minute video in German about the Heidelberg psychosomatic clinic, in German):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsQBwEFkqg




    Pure BPS power-grab, talks about influencing the education of new doctors, integration with (all) other hospital departments (oncology etc), how psychosomatic medicine fills the gap between biological illnesses and mental illnesses (so it really is a medicine of the gaps, but he thinks that's a good thing), and how the future of medicine is psychosomatic medicine. Plus he puts a silly hat on at the end.
     
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  3. chrisb

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    Didn't Hennigsen who appears in that video appear on one of the MUS related ones.
     
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  4. TiredSam

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    Maybe Coyne could encourage him by offering to apologize to PwME for protecting the bad science of Edward Shorter. They could hold hands and unburden their consciences together. That would be lovely.
     
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  5. TiredSam

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    Don't know, sorry.
     
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  6. MSEsperanza

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    Yep, see: https://www.s4me.info/threads/mus-services-in-uk-and-other-mus-related-issues.8318/#post-146602

    link to the video: https://mus.elft.nhs.uk/

    Also, Hennigsen co-edited with Per Fink: Creed F, Henningsen P, Fink P: "Medically unexplained symptoms, somatisation and bodily distress". Cambridge University Press. 2011 -- where he co-authored with, among others, Peter White and Michael Sharpe
     
  7. Jonathan Edwards

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    Yup, with Rona M-M and the head of NHS England Mental Health for East London MUS services.
     
  8. Jonathan Edwards

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    You couldn't make it up could you?
     
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  9. TiredSam

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    No. It is beyond satire.

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  10. Andy

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    Well they obviously did, and still do..
     
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  12. Andy

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    https://davidfmarks.com/2019/03/02/...sident-and-principal-of-kings-college-london/

    https://davidfmarks.com/2019/03/02/...ecutive-of-the-british-psychological-society/

    https://davidfmarks.com/2019/03/02/...-that-could-require-correction-or-retraction/
     
  13. Andy

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    @Andy Can you amend that date? Its 1988. The seminal paper-where it all went wrong.
     
  15. Andy

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    Done.
     
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    Of course... :banghead: You can barely look anywhere in this dumpster fire without finding conflicts of interest and extensions to the circle jerk. It's really amazing. Really bad idea to rely on a system of uncritical deference to eminence and old boys' network.
     
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  17. Sean

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    They crossed over into a cult a while back, IMHO.
     
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  18. Sly Saint

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    Ironically the following article on that pdf:
     
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  20. spinoza577

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    Even if you don´t understand German, it´s definitively worth a view.

    I watched only the first 30 seconds, but I really got happy.
     

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