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NPR: 2018 April 5. Ineffective treatment often prescribed for low back pain.

Discussion in 'Health News and Research unrelated to ME/CFS' started by WillowJ, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. WillowJ

    WillowJ Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...reatment-often-prescribed-for-lower-back-pain

    Wherein The Lancet, Cochrane, O.H.S.U., and University of Washington tout C.B.T. and lament how rarely it’s used.

    K, Medicaid and Medicare aren’t covering alternative medicine for the most part, either, as far as I know.

    Ps, I cannot create a U.W. tag as too few characters. Therefore, the tag is U.dub, which a local pronunciation.

    E.T.A.: just to be clear, this is not a recommendation. Esther12 knew that, but in case anyone else didn’t. I can’t recall how to edit a title but it may be long enough already.
     
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  2. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Nor will most physicians recommend them. I have a herniated disc. I get a lot of relief from an anti-imflammitory pain med/supplement that I get at the "health-food" store. I seriously think that I would be back of opioids by now if I hadn't found it.

    ETA: There is no way CBT would work for a herniated disc. And you can't exercise when you cannot even move. I'm all for medication and physical therapy once the medication has done it's job.

    I only started using the OTC product once the meds and physical therapy had done their job.
     
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  3. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Twaddle.
     
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  4. Alvin

    Alvin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A good chiropractor can handle many back pain issues (not all, once too much damage is done its permanent), but the profession has shot itself in the foot by clinging to debunked 18th century stupidity. Then you get chiros who keep you coming back forever further staining the profession's reputation :emoji_face_palm:

    CBT is laughable, is there anything they won't recommend it for? Is there a list somewhere?
    Perhaps the best response is to advertise CBT for them, what won't it cure, pretend something does't exist is the default of all the CBT nutcases :emoji_face_palm:
     
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    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    Care to clarify? I'm all for the succinct response, but I'm not clear which bit of which post you are referring to as twaddle.
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Can you let us into the secret? What is it called? I know people with bad backs who are probably willing to try anything.
     
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    Alvin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A well trained non shyster chiropractor. If they lived in my city i would recommend my person, she is amazing and needs cloning.
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Unfortunately, the person I'm thinking of has been to chiropractors before. One of them made him faint. Several of them have made him worse. A few have achieved nothing either good or bad. He would never agree to see another one.
     
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  9. Alvin

    Alvin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I see, thats why ones who know what they are doing are the ticket

    Perhaps you can convince him to visit a clone of my chiropractor.
     
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  10. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Everything quoted seems to be twaddle. Back pain has a whole range of causes, which need to be identified and treated in an appropriate way. Broad brush propaganda on what is good or bad, like surgery or medicine or CBT is simple nonsense. Some people benefit from surgery. Many do not. There is no evidence it has anything to do with being sedentary. It is at the level of a Virgin Atlantic flight magazine.
     
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  11. WillowJ

    WillowJ Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Well, except, CBT can only help with coping, including reducing emotional response to pain.

    There’s no logical way it could help with the pain itself (unless by changing some activity or positioning that was causing pain, but I think that’s usually called biofeedback, except a few strange ones who call it symptom focusing).
     
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  12. Little Bluestem

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    It is called Curamin. It contains curcumin and some other things. It is made by Terry Naturally. I have no idea if it is available in the U.K. It is very good for inflammation. I don't know how much it would help non-inflammatory pain. I think it is supposed to.
     
  13. Arnie Pye

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    Thanks @Little Bluestem . I'll do some research. It might benefit a couple of people I'm thinking of.
     
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    Hip Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Chronic lower back pain was recently shown to be linked to spinal disc infection with the same bacteria that cause acne.
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    So, does that imply that many chronic lower back pain sufferers could be fixed with antibiotics of the type that are prescribed for severe acne?
     
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    Hip Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes if you select patients with this type of back pain: see this study.
     
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  17. TiredSam

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    Quite high then.
     
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