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National Geographic: Newly discovered organ may be lurking under your skin (pain-sensing glial cells, 2019)

Discussion in 'Health News and Research unrelated to ME/CFS' started by Ravn, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. Ravn

    Ravn Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Haven't got the energy to track down the study/studies this is based on but sounds potentially interesting (and definitely so if you're a mouse - do we not have a mouse emoji? We can't be discussing science and not honour mice with an emoji!)
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-may-be-lurking-uinder-your-skin-senses-pain/
     
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  2. adambeyoncelowe

    adambeyoncelowe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Interesting. Looks like they're already looking at this for chronic pain. I wonder whether it fits with existing theories of central sensitisation or whether it will now replace those theories with something else?
     
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    lansbergen Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It could be the anwser to the mystery I could not explain with what is the textbooks.
     
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  5. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Is this the second new organ they have discovered in the last year, or is the same one as they discovered last year, that there was a thread on, and possibly an article in something like 'Nature'?

    Not up to hunting, just curious if anyone else also remembers something similar in the last year or so.
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    There have been a couple of new organs found recently. I'm not sure if you were thinking about either of these? The Mesentery and the Interstitium :

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ssified-abdominal-grays-anatomy-a7507396.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-scientists-discovery-new-york-a8275851.html
     
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    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It was the second one, thank you.

    I specifically remembered the bit about people missing it because of the way slides were prepared drying it out and making it 'invisible'.
     
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    Don't remember the name but the other organ you may be thinking of was something part of the lymphatic drainage system and they missed it because it would be flat and hard to detect unless in vivo. Or something close to that, but it wasn't part of the nervous system.
     
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    Oh damn, there were two.

    But sure, let's go full speed ahead with a massive reform that assumes we know everything there is to know about everything and blames millions of people in some fictitious massive epidemic of mental illness that no one can describe, define or who any evidence for.

    What's the worst that can happen? To shreds, you say? And her wife? Oh, my, to shreds you say?
     
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  10. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It is quite odd if I think about it, as I understood that medical science had already discovered everything, at least everything on the scale of human organs.

    Fair enough there may be some fine tuning required of our understanding of various aspects of micro and cellular biology, but organs?

    Surely this can't be true?

    If they don't understand such major things about how people work then how can they possibly maintain that anything, anything at all, is a psychiatric, psychological, or behavioural issue?

    How can people make careers out of it - when, as far as I can see, 3 new organs have been 'noticed' in the last year?

    What sort of species of arrogant, misguided or manalolent f&*^wits are we dealing with here?

    Obviously the type that will pay no attention to the implications of medical sciences inability to even notice these organs before now, and keep causing major harm, to me, and to others.
     
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    lansbergen Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Depends on the definition of an organ.

    The skin is long accepted to be an organ. Now part of that organ is called an organ.
     
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    Also this https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-discover-never-before-seen-vessels-in-the-brain

    It went by largely unnoticed, but finding that there are lymphatic vessels in the brain when all the text books say/said there aren't any, that's pretty big iyam, but of course MUS is still assumed to be medically unexplainable symptoms, because, dontcha know, they're all so ruddy clever that everything there is to know or explain is already known & explained.
     
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    When medical students graduate they should be told that they are now beginning their education. Medical school is just the baseline.
     
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    lansbergen Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Right.
     
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    I think most biologists and doctors are open to there being a lot to learn about anatomy and physiology. The problem in my experience has been received knowledge. Generally good doctors have been taught that emotional problems cause physical dysfunction as a fact. They have all met patients who worry they have a disease when they are just anxious so they assume FND "experts" are just seeing extreme cases of that.

    If FND and MUPS etc were new ideas it would be hard for them to get accepted but they are built on a framework set up years ago. Victorian medicine with all its misogyny and patronizing.
     
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    The article, if I've understood it correctly, seems to say that this is just for "mechanical" types of pain, i.e. when your skin gets cut or you get hit, things like that.
     
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    Yes, but (CNS) glial cells have been identified as a possible thing in fibro too. So it might be possible that if CNS glial cells are involved, so are those in the periphery?
     

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