Miranda Hart - British comedian

[Tia]

"But I have seen clearly that life is not to sort yourself out and wait for the time you are complete and ready. Life is living in acceptance of all the mess and vulnerability and illness and tiredness and confusion."
This makes me feel such a failure. Like I'm being CBT'd at. If she had written, But I have seen clearly that MY life is not to sort....etc., I wouldn't feel nearly so diminished by her.

I didn't take this as implying failure on anyone's part but about acceptance and being ok with not being complete and 'sorted'.

I hope Miranda focuses more on the acceptance aspect rather than the pseudoscience stuff (which often dresses itself up as acceptance but underneath is the opposite).

 

[Tia]

@Naomi10 sums things up brilliantly and as always in a wise and compassionate matter:

A life hidden - The Trouble With Recovery Stories

quote:

When I look back on the long and painful road of my own improvement, I see a truth rarely addressed in recovery stories. Which is that our bleakest times form the foundation of every step forward we ever make. The courage that exists in that place of sheer survival is at the root of every achievement that follows – even if the achievement is “just” living the best life possible within huge restrictions.

To anyone in that darkness now – where hope is destroyed and all appears lost – I say this: never feel that your struggle to exist is not enough. If all you can do today is breathe and cling on, that is an act of courage and daring. And one worthy of all the column inches in the world.

https://alifehidden.com/2024/11/05/recovery-stories/

Beautiful and important words, as always from @Naomi10

 

[Sparkly Unicorn]

Goodness, what a mess. Seriously amazing she said all that out loud and on social media. She sounds confused and let down whilst trying to not be. Alex Howard has done a real number on her. She still thinks she's post illness but still obviously struggling and symptomatic. They've put in a get out clause that setbacks are 'normal'. No, it's called PEM from over exhaustion. What an earth was she told, that she was better and she'd be able to work and be fine?!

The poor woman, it sounds like she's been launched into this vast publicity machine without having worked for a decade. She has agency here but it also sounds like she's been taken in. She's very vulnerable and been jumped on by the publishing industry as a cash cow and Howard as a wonderkind. Just awful.

If she ever really realises what happened here it's going to be devastating.

Miranda on instagram today:

'Since working again (a very little bit at a time) I have been able to live out the treasures from my book. And they all were relevant in every moment. And necessary. And reminded me more than ever of Treasure 9 - there will always be a “setback”. Or rather, trust the ups and downs.

I think in some ways I expected to be fully healed when I went back to work. Or fully energised. Or fully fit. Or fully happy with my body post illness. Or all the ways it’s easy to want to have ‘sorted’. But I have seen clearly that life is not to sort yourself out and wait for the time you are complete and ready. Life is living in acceptance of all the mess and vulnerability and illness and tiredness and confusion. The more I do that the more joy I have. And the more trust. (Despite still getting fatigued)

To finally let go of ‘needing to be okay’ in whatever form the inner critic can tell us we need to be, means I can be okay. Even when I feel terrible. (Though I fail regularly and often still just want to be fully physically okay!)

Thank God for the licence to be a weird and wonderful wonky work in progress until the day I die!'

 

[bobbler]

Goodness, what a mess. Seriously amazing she said all that out loud and on social media. She sounds confused and let down whilst trying to not be. Alex Howard has done a real number on her. She still thinks she's post illness but still obviously struggling and symptomatic. They've put in a get out clause that setbacks are 'normal'. No, it's called PEM from over exhaustion. What an earth was she told, that she was better and she'd be able to work and be fine?!

The poor woman, it sounds like she's been launched into this vast publicity machine without having worked for a decade. She has agency here but it also sounds like she's been taken in. She's very vulnerable and been jumped on by the publishing industry as a cash cow and Howard as a wonderkind. Just awful.

If she ever really realises what happened here it's going to be devastating.

I think it’s important to remember when you hear eg music artists talking about their experiences it makes you realise they are seen as one bit by the machine.

I don’t know how much agency and compromising and being reworded or pushed into saying things a certain way or only one side of a sentence getting heard goes on for each different type of artist on each different medium.

but it does seem old hat yet still ‘the way it is’ and only known about really because I guess social media exists so anyone has a voice that isn’t through gatekeepers etc

I’m trying to think whether I’m just being biased in memory but over the years there have definitely been some truly eccentric mind type things being welcomed from various celebrities onto eg tv programmes like spoon bending

but rarely I don’t think I’ve heard the straightforward ‘aftermath’ of ‘no I don’t do those things anymore’ or even I’m curious are there celebs who’ve managed to talk about other illnesses or disabilities in quite a straight way without unwritten rules of having to crack a joke self-deprecate or say it’s not that bad like we all get made to do by the pressure of the silence (go on now say it)

 

[MrMagoo]

I’m not yet sure whether I think she’s being exploited or she is doing the exploiting.
If the 10 treasures are so great that she wants people to know about them in case it helps someone, then she could just tweet them for free, rather than put them in a pricey book. Couldn’t she?

 

[bobbler]

I’m not yet sure whether I think she’s being exploited or she is doing the exploiting.
If the 10 treasures are so great that she wants people to know about them in case it helps someone, then she could just tweet them for free, rather than put them in a pricey book. Couldn’t she?

Indeed. The irony is that whichever one at the start it seems impossible for it not to get dragged into being ‘both’ exploited and exploiting and the more ill you are the more vulnerable to being a vessel or whatever the phrase is because you’re exhausted and we know the tricks that deliberately get played on us - which is how we know certain personalities actually understand our illness perfectly well despite fibbing they think it’s improved by nonsense


‘Oh we just changed your script a bit of course if you don’t like it’ , but then your brain can’t see wood for trees anymore there are knocks on the door etc

or getting a leading question thrown at them just as we do in questionnaires by laypersons who try and make us say things they want to hear etc

whatever needle you wanted to thread without some serious protections we aren’t afforded and without some miracle strong team who would provide those and be tough no one can ‘keep control’ because we attract an onslaught from a certain type who smells blood of watching us exhausted and then wrong-footed

and then once you’ve done it wrong once you are into failure demand of how do you correct that whilst the work in front of you is piling up

 

[Sparkly Unicorn]

I’m not yet sure whether I think she’s being exploited or she is doing the exploiting.
If the 10 treasures are so great that she wants people to know about them in case it helps someone, then she could just tweet them for free, rather than put them in a pricey book. Couldn’t she?

It does look like both. She is being used but she's also only interested in talking about this all in the media to sell her book. If she hasnt worked for a decade then maybe the bank balance is low and this seemed like a way to launch her comeback.

I don't really trust any celeb who is interested in connecting and talking about illness when they have something to sell. Especially with a publicist on their back.

 

[Tia]

I was just looking at amazon reviews of the book to see how it was being received (mostly good, 64% 5*). One review gives this quote from the book:

“if we're constantly repeating a story like “I'm so exhausted’ our physiology will respond and it will affect our mood and disorder. MIND BLOWING. The number of times I would say things like, “it's like wading through treacle,” or “ its such a battles. Now, phrases like that make me feel instantly weak…Eventually I stopped saying Lyme or any of the other diagnostic words…to reduce its power.”

I'm sure Miranda has literally been using the phrase 'wading through treacle' in recent TV interviews to describe how she felt when she was at her most ill. So will she now be thinking that her current symptoms are due to talking about being ill? I can imagine Alex Howard giving this explanation. Handy for him how his theory has an answer for all the problems it creates. It's such a mind scrambler.

I hope Miranda's able to reflect and move forwards with the positive parts of what she's been taught and leave the dangerous parts behind. And I hope she continues to speak out honestly as she does so.

 

[Sean]

“if we're constantly repeating a story like “I'm so exhausted’ our physiology will respond and it will affect our mood and disorder. MIND BLOWING. The number of times I would say things like, “it's like wading through treacle,” or “ its such a battles. Now, phrases like that make me feel instantly weak…Eventually I stopped saying Lyme or any of the other diagnostic words…to reduce its power.”

I'm sure Miranda has literally been using the phrase 'wading through treacle' in recent TV interviews to describe how she felt when she was at her most ill. So will she now be thinking that her current symptoms are due to talking about being ill?

If this claim is true, then surely the best way to deal with FND, etc, is for everybody, including the 'experts', to never talk about it, and deny it even exists. Or at the very least to downplay it as much as possible.

You certainly don't want to be writing books about it and going on publicity tours and attracting as much attention to it as possible.

 

[MrMagoo]

If this claim is true, then surely the best way to deal with FND, etc, is for everybody, including the 'experts', to never talk about it, and deny it even exists. Or at the very least to downplay it as much as possible.

You certainly didn't want to be writing books about it and going on publicity tours and attracting as much attention to it as possible.

Or to look at another way - what has been going on in the minds of these people -Miranda, Garner that they think themselves ill and then think themselves out of it?

 

[oldtimer]

I didn't take this as implying failure on anyone's part but about acceptance and being ok with not being complete and 'sorted'.

I hope Miranda focuses more on the acceptance aspect rather than the pseudoscience stuff (which often dresses itself up as acceptance but underneath is the opposite).

I was referring to the "Life is living in acceptance of all the mess and vulnerability and illness and tiredness and confusion" bit mostly. I’m quite ‘sorted’ actually

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I had just read the really good article, "Dear Miranda", by Long Covid Advocacy (https://www.longcovidadvoc.com/post/dear-miranda) and I was as mad as hell about the unstoppable crap that just keeps coming. I have no idea who Miranda Hart is, apart from being a tv celeb, and my comment about feeling a failure and diminished by her were meant to sound facetious and silly to the audience here. I apologise for not being clear about that.

 

[MrMagoo]

It’s very exhausting (not a metaphor) having to filter out all the harmful garbage that comes at us. Living in a world where the default is just not who we are, or can be.

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[rvallee]

Or to look at another way - what has been going on in the minds of these people -Miranda, Garner that they think themselves ill and then think themselves out of it?

This is why the model for this is a completely generic "life events". It can be literally anything. It can be a big thing. It can be a thing that happened to you many times, and this last one was just the last straw. Or whatever. It can be the sum of many small things. It can be no things at all, all subconsciously. It can just "be", just happen. Which makes it easy that literally anything can break it. The only way to move a mass of empty air is to replace it with another volume of empty air.

This is what led to the "chemical imbalance" model of depression, a psychosocial model which many people objected to because they were actually very happy at the time and had never faced significant hardship. There is no inconsistency with such a model that can't be fixed with a good old Deus Ex Machina. This allows some random "bio" element to be glued at the right spot. No need to think any further. It all makes sense if you don't think about it.

The model requires no explanation and it can't ever explain anything. It just does what it needs to do, which is to convert something into another thing. All spontaneous in a completely black box process. Medicine's philosopher's stone, which having failed to find it, simply pretended that they did.

I posted a video in the "Bias in academic research" thread from a disgruntled physics academic who talks about the fundamental problems in theoretical physics, and how one of those is that with most of the falsifiable models having been falsified, all that's left is unfalsifiable models. They can't ever be proven definitely wrong. So they can be "worked on" indefinitely.

Like looping around the same area of space looking for a teapot orbiting the Sun. You can never be sure it's never in that specific area. So you can look at that specific area endlessly, since the teapot orbits around and it could be there now. Or now. Or now! Have you checked if it's there now? It could be there right now and you just missed it! Never stop staring at this one spot of space. Also you've already found evidence of that teapot, you just can't really show it because it's all complex and mysterious and so on. You just need a better picture than the blurry mass thing that could be the neck of some giant beast, or possibly a log. No way to know for sure. But you can say it for sure anyway, no one can prove otherwise.

 

[ukxmrv]

Miranda looked exhausted on "Strictly" and couldn't even stand up for parts of it. It wasn't convincing of someone who was really recovering from a major illness.

As the years go on with no end to 'recovery' and these stumbling attempts to appear normal the disappointment could be very painful.

Especially when it is being done in public.

 

[Tia]

Miranda looked exhausted on "Strictly" and couldn't even stand up for parts of it. It wasn't convincing of someone who was really recovering from a major illness.

As the years go on with no end to 'recovery' and these stumbling attempts to appear normal the disappointment could be very painful.

Especially when it is being done in public.

Yes, that is my worry for her.

 

[Lou B Lou]

The media still reporting that Miranda Hart had or has ME/CFS. But in this Woman's Hour on New Year's Eve Miranda talks about 'the restorative powers of walking and the outdoors'. She describes how moving her body in bed instigated her 'energy coming back'.

Miranda calls ME a 'fatigue based illness' and describes what is basically graded activity plus eulogised visualisation plus pseudoscience. First she visualised herself walking out of doors, then she did it. She credits the visualisation with her physical improvement. Plus inspirational stories about watching butterflies and trees from her bed.

I find the gushing 'inspirational' preaching about 'how to recover from ME' to be actually offensive. The Womans Hour interviewer gushes and gushes over Miranda's inspiration stories and over Miranda's 'positive' attitude, which they both agreed was the cause of her recovery. Pass the sickbucket.


Miranda Hart is a one woman sabotaging program, who appears to never tire of being interviewed and 'inspiring' people who are not sick. She sabotages realistic understanding of ME/CFS in every interview she does.


Woman's Hour:

‘It was walking and getting out that really did help my fatigue based illness’

'Comedian and actor Miranda Hart joins Nuala McGovern for a Woman’s Hour special programme on New Year’s Day all about women and walking.

Revealing how she thinks getting outdoors helped her battle with a chronic illness, Miranda also discusses her new appreciation for nature.

To hear more from Miranda Hart and other guests on the joy of walking, listen to Woman’s Hour from 10am on New Year’s Day on BBC Radio 4 or BBC Sounds.'

Release date:
31 December 2024


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0kfyp9r

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0026mwm

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[Trish]

Sigh. I'm pleased for Miranda that her health has improved, and that she is able to enjoy walking in nature.

I just wish she understood that not all of us can do this, and the harm this will do to many people's health and relationships with those around us, as our well meaning family and friends urge us to follow her example.

 

[Lou B Lou]

Sigh. I'm pleased for Miranda that her health has improved, and that she is able to enjoy walking in nature.

I just wish she understood that not all of us can do this, and the harm this will do to many people's health and relationships with those around us, as our well meaning family and friends urge us to follow her example.

I find it offensive that she has set herself up as an example (to the rest of us) of how 'good' sick people recover by changing their attitudes.
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[Lou B Lou]

I was just looking at amazon reviews of the book to see how it was being received (mostly good, 64% 5*). One review gives this quote from the book:

“if we're constantly repeating a story like “I'm so exhausted’ our physiology will respond and it will affect our mood and disorder. MIND BLOWING. The number of times I would say things like, “it's like wading through treacle,” or “ its such a battles. Now, phrases like that make me feel instantly weak…Eventually I stopped saying Lyme or any of the other diagnostic words…to reduce its power.”

I'm sure Miranda has literally been using the phrase 'wading through treacle' in recent TV interviews to describe how she felt when she was at her most ill. So will she now be thinking that her current symptoms are due to talking about being ill? I can imagine Alex Howard giving this explanation. Handy for him how his theory has an answer for all the problems it creates. It's such a mind scrambler.

I hope Miranda's able to reflect and move forwards with the positive parts of what she's been taught and leave the dangerous parts behind. And I hope she continues to speak out honestly as she does so.

Miranda used the "it was like wading through treacle" phrase when describing her 'crippling anxiety' in The Express back in 2021, where she said that it was anxiety and agoraphobia that "greatly hindered her day-to-day life". I don't know if she had been misdiagnosed with those, but if so then she appears to have bought into it.



The Express 19/12/2021

'Miranda Hart health: 'I’ll always be a slightly anxious person'-star on crippling disorder'

'MIRANDA HART recently delighted fans after she teased the return of her popular comedy show, six years since it was last seen on TV. The comedian enjoyed success from her self-titled sitcom from 2009 to 2015, but behind the scenes, Miranda has had to deal with crippling anxiety, something which severely affects her job.'


'The popular comedic is set to star in a BBC pantomime of Beauty and the Beast, all in aid of Comic Relief. The panto was filmed via zoom and will star a whole host of celebrity faces, including Lily James as the titular character Belle, aka Beauty. In the past, Miranda has had to mysteriously pull out of some of the projects she was involved in. Usually keeping details of her private life quite hidden, the star spoke out back in 2018, revealing that she suffers from anxiety and agoraphobia.'


'The star who is best known for her roles in Call The Midwife, and comedy film Spy alongside Melissa 'McCarthy told You magazine that although she makes millions of people laugh, she struggles to make herself happy.

She said: “When a low mood sinks in, you find yourself almost revelling in the awful world news and feeling self-pityingly about the tiniest things."


' “I think we all have days when we just want to hole up, cancel friends and cocoon in a duvet."


“I found nothing could prompt an upward turn to my mouth — not even a cheeky dollop of ice cream with my favourite comedy.”


'The actress also previously compared having anxiety as like “wading through treacle,” saying that it greatly hindered her day-to-day life.


'As well as dealing with unpredictable anxiety, Miranda suffers from agoraphobia – an anxiety disorder in which individuals are fearful and tend to avoid places or situations that might cause panic and make you feel trapped, helpless or embarrassed.

“I thought the world was a bit scary,’ the star explained. “Some people get depressed for six months then pull themselves together.

“I just hid in a room in the house and didn’t really go out. It was my blip.”


https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1538453/miranda-hart-health-anxiety-agoraphobia-symptoms



The article goes on to include descriptions of anxiety and it's symptoms, and advice, from the Mayo Clinic.

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[MrMagoo]

It’s really hard for me to understand being “misdiagnosed” with agoraphobia if it was really ME/CFS. I was always an extrovert who loved being out, going to places. I still would be if I had the energy.