ME debate in Danish Parliament March 12 (2019)

Kalliope said:
Yup. Unanimous.

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Per Fink's payback.

Whatever you think ME is (biogical or funkional), PF's behaviour toward Karina Hansen has been nothing but abusive. He bragged about being able to cure her in less than 6 months, detained her 2 (or 3) years and she returned at her parents' in a worst state than she entered the clinic after a juridicial battle (if not she would still be there). Any person with a sense of ethics would have confess to be wrong and would have let her go.
The fact that he includes in his bodily distress syndrome far too many problems (eg tinnitus), just shows how nonsensical this concept is.
I hope after this vote, PF's influence will shrink to the size of a nut.
 
Very good to see positive steps regarding ME in the country where something was rotten beyond words.

Don’t know what the world holds for Per Fink, but hopefully he will find something else to do that doesn’t involve human beings.
 
Cheshire said:
Per Fink's payback.

Whatever you think ME is (biogical or funkional), PF's behaviour toward Karina Hansen has been nothing but abusive. He bragged about being able to cure her in less than 6 months, detained her 2 (or 3) years and she returned at her parents' in a worst state than she entered the clinic after a juridicial battle (if not she would still be there). Any person with a sense of ethics would have confess to be wrong and would have let her go.
The fact that he includes in his bodily distress syndrome far too many problems (eg tinnitus), just shows how nonsensical this concept is.
I hope after this vote, PF's influence will shrink to the size of a nut.
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Quite something that this ghoul was painted as a victim in the Reuters puff piece. In hindsight they will mostly look creepy and obsessed.

The whole "I'm just trying to help" trope is very old already. There are no participation trophies in medical research. They are only trying to help themselves.
 
Article from a Danish news site about health.

Sundhetspolitisk Tidsskrift: Afstemning i formiddags: Enigt folketing vil fjerne sygdomme fra gruppen av "funktionelle lidelser"
google translation: Vote this morning: United Parliament will remove diseases from the group of "functional disorders"

The treatment of patients such as Marie Louise Gustavussen, which Health Policy Journal has mentioned, is not good enough at all. Patients with myalgic encephalopathy (ME) and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) do not receive relevant treatment and treatment offers, and they are stigmatized and placed in the "functional disorders" pathway between somantics and psychiatry.
A united parliament has decided this morning. All politicians agree to give patients such as Marie Louise Gustavussen a much better treatment.
 
Kalliope said:
If I've understood everything correct, all political parties agreed to this motion which will formally be voted for later in the week.
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Can someone help me?

Where do I find information about the motion, i.e. how it was brought on, and the background that led to it? I remember there was a letter - does somebody remember where it can be found?

Do the German folk here know if such motions are part of the political picture? (What would be motion in German politics?)
 
Interview with Stig Gerdes, the doctor who helped the Danish ME patient Karina Hansen from Unrest, and who later lost his licence.

Frederica Dagblad: Stig Gerdes efter afstemning i Folketinget: - Jeg fik ret
google translation: Stig Gerdes after the Parliament vote: - I was right

The former and controversial doctor, Stig Gerdes, welcomes a motion from the Parliament Thursday, where 107 votes against zero agreed that the disorders CFS and ME should be considered physical diseases. They no longer belong under the umbrella term "functional disorders", which denotes a number of disorders that the health authorities cannot find physical explanations for.

Stig Gerdes has for several years been an angry opponent of "functional disorders", which he considers to be a garbage bin designation that allows the medical profession to park patients on futile, psychiatric treatment.

He lost just over two years ago his doctor's authorization because he stepped reduced the psychiatric medicine to an ME patient without first consulting her guardian and psychiatrist. The authorization case is due for court in August.
 
Kalliope said:
Interview with Stig Gerdes, the doctor who helped the Danish ME patient Karina Hansen from Unrest, and who later lost his licence.

Frederica Dagblad: Stig Gerdes efter afstemning i Folketinget: - Jeg fik ret
google translation: Stig Gerdes after the Parliament vote: - I was right

The former and controversial doctor, Stig Gerdes, welcomes a motion from the Parliament Thursday, where 107 votes against zero agreed that the disorders CFS and ME should be considered physical diseases. They no longer belong under the umbrella term "functional disorders", which denotes a number of disorders that the health authorities cannot find physical explanations for.

Stig Gerdes has for several years been an angry opponent of "functional disorders", which he considers to be a garbage bin designation that allows the medical profession to park patients on futile, psychiatric treatment.

He lost just over two years ago his doctor's authorization because he stepped reduced the psychiatric medicine to an ME patient without first consulting her guardian and psychiatrist. The authorization case is due for court in August.
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Someone deserves a very prominent apology. Now that is being silenced.
 
Kalliope said:
Interview with Stig Gerdes, the doctor who helped the Danish ME patient Karina Hansen from Unrest, and who later lost his licence.

Frederica Dagblad: Stig Gerdes efter afstemning i Folketinget: - Jeg fik ret
google translation: Stig Gerdes after the Parliament vote: - I was right
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Quote from the English translation:
- Is it normal for politicians to define what is a physical illness and what is not?

- No, it's not normal. But it is also not normal that Denmark does not follow the WHO's diagnostic codes
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Kalliope said:
The former and controversial doctor, Stig Gerdes, welcomes a motion from the Parliament Thursday, where 107 votes against zero agreed that the disorders CFS and ME should be considered physical diseases. They no longer belong under the umbrella term "functional disorders", which denotes a number of disorders that the health authorities cannot find physical explanations for.

Stig Gerdes has for several years been an angry opponent of "functional disorders", which he considers to be a garbage bin designation that allows the medical profession to park patients on futile, psychiatric treatment.

He lost just over two years ago his doctor's authorization because he stepped reduced the psychiatric medicine to an ME patient without first consulting her guardian and psychiatrist. The authorization case is due for court in August.
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Kalliope said:
Stig Gerdes has for several years been an angry opponent of "functional disorders", which he considers to be a garbage bin designation that allows the medical profession to park patients on futile, psychiatric treatment.
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Which indeed it is.

Start saving up for those court cases, patients.
 
The Danish newspaper Politiken had an editorial about ME yesterday. It's behind paywall, but perhaps someone here has access to it and can give a summary.

The headline is revealing of its content though:

Svigtet af samfundet
Behandlingen av kronisk træthed er en skændsel

Abandoned by society
The treatment of chronic fatigue is a disgrace
 
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