Maeve Boothby O'Neill - articles about her life, death and inquest

There is a lively debate ongoing underneath the article, two comments posted on #1095.
It would be good if anyone who is able could contribute. I am unable to do this I am afraid. Brain fog has destroyed any clarity of thought. Just posting the article has collapsed me ..

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ME: the condition still baffling the NHS
Also known as chronic fatigue syndrome, ME affects a quarter of a million people in the UK but is 'poorly understood'

NHS staff treating a woman with ME didn't understand the condition, a doctor has told an inquest into her death.


Dr Lucy Shenton, the GP who treated Maeve Boothby-O’Neill, has joined calls for better funding of research into people suffering from myalgic encephalomyelitis, or ME, which is also referred to as chronic fatigue syndrome.

What happened to O'Neill?

Boothby-O’Neill had suffered with the condition for a decade before she died at home in October 2021. She was 27. The inquest at Exeter coroner's court is examining whether different clinical decisions could have saved her life.

Dr Shenton, who took over Boothby-O'Neill's care in April 2021, said that many of the health professionals involved in caring for O'Neill were not doctors and their "lack of understanding" of severe ME may have been "relevant".

Just days before O'Neill died, Shenton wrote an email about the nurses that said: "This is so far out of their comfort zone." She added that one consultant even "expressed doubt" that ME was a physical illness.


Why does the NHS struggle with ME?
ME affects about 250,000 people in the UK but it is "poorly understood", said The Times, with "no diagnostic test or treatment". Symptoms of the condition include extreme tiredness, problems sleeping and difficulty concentrating.

"It is not known what causes ME/CFS," said The Independent, but a new study in the US earlier this year "indicates that rather than physical exhaustion or a lack of motivation, fatigue may arise from a mismatch between what someone thinks they can achieve and what their bodies perform".

O'Neill's "harrowing" case "highlights clashing NHS narratives" on ME, said Alastair Miller, a consultant physician, in The Observer. "Having been involved in the diagnosis and management of this condition since the mid 1980s," he said, "I know of no other disease that provokes such controversy – pitting clinicians, researchers and patients against one another rather than in support."

There is "no consistent laboratory test or imaging (scan)", or biomarker, that will "definitively establish or exclude" a diagnosis of ME, Miller said, and "despite years of well-funded research, we do not yet have the unifying biomedical explanation of the symptoms that patients so desperately want". But doctors and researchers are "trying to do their best", he added.

How can ME care improve?
A woman is campaigning for better care for people with ME after her husband's life was "decimated" by the disease, she told The Times. Karen Hargrave said that her husband, James Herring, 37, a former marathon-running civil servant, struggles to speak, can't eat solid food, is on the highest level of disability benefits, and can only get out of bed once a day in a wheelchair to go to the bathroom.

A report for the campaign she has launched (#ThereForME) highlights how "failings" in NHS care are "the norm", said The Times. A survey of 328 patients found that not a single one with very severe ME felt the NHS "had been there for them". There are "no treatments" for ME, and no "specialist" inpatient NHS services.

https://theweek.com/health/me-the-condition-still-baffling-the-nhs
 
From the above quote:
"It is not known what causes ME/CFS," said The Independent, but a new study in the US earlier this year "indicates that rather than physical exhaustion or a lack of motivation, fatigue may arise from a mismatch between what someone thinks they can achieve and what their bodies perform".

I assume this is based on the effort preference nonsense in the Walitt paper. And so the harm goes on.
 
I can’t read the comments section not having a Times subscription. But…

Its occurs to me that the types- medical professionals, researchers, psychologists, life coaches, members of the public, whoever, who’ve fashioned their identity based upon their ability to be a ‘good’ cop, spy, bouncer, bully, to maintain the purity of the society, no ‘abnormalities’ or ‘inconsistent presentations’ here, ‘no troubled people’ no ‘mental illness’ allowed over here, just me and my pals, hoarding all the healthcare for ourselves and other ‘normals’- are only going to get more and more and more nasty.

What else can they do?

Everyone is off sick with Covid and their papers are telling them that’s a failure of people who allow themselves to think that they’re sick. You’re barely even allowed to be acutely sick now, for these enforcers are roaming around the ruins of our society, they are managers everywhere.

They could admit that bullying people into work and health has been a bit of a failure. But they won’t.

Either they know that they need to get the boot in while they can, before public opinion turns for whatever reason or perhaps they are worried that a changed perception of us necessarily brings a changed perception of them. They may be seen as mean petty tyrants which they may or may not mind, but that they will also appear foolish and easily led, that they will. They must maintain past behaviour, but harder. For perhaps they think that by keeping up the front they might hold off change, forever.

Also being realistic medicine will just do this again to people without ME. So let’s get an agreement that fewer people would die if you believe that people who say they are physically sick almost certainly are. Also that if you’re not treating ‘mentally ill’ people like dirt, you remove the possibility of people trying pick up their symptoms and flee from your treatment into another category, which seems a big fear of medical professionals looming very large in their imaginations, and that doesn’t reflect well on them tbh.


Every doctor who leaves an unsupportive comment beneath articles on Maeve or anyone else’s death needs one upstanding person who knows them professionally of equal or higher status to have a patient but insistent word with them about their inappropriate behaviour.

Right now I feel glad that Maeve’s story is tearing at the seams.
 
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The first comment on the article accuses the Times .......

"The Times is running a deplorable campaign of misinformation about so-called ME/CFS. There is no evidence this "disease" has any physiological or biological origin. Deeply troubled individuals latch on to this mythical diagnosis and your relentless campaign to have it taken seriously will only encourage more people to frame their mental health issues with this invented narrative. Just because one of your staff members has had a terrible tragedy in his life does not mean you have the right to mislead and gaslight thousands of other people."
The above has 4 likes.
Mythical diagnosis?? The naysayers have not gone away.

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"Chronic fatigue certainly does exist, commonly following viral infections, and I - a retired hospital doctor- suffer from long Covid fatigue myself.

I am not a “deeply troubled individual”, and neither are the majority of the thousands of other normal patients with this group of conditions.

Just because we have not yet elucidated the causative pathway, it does not mean we can pretend the disease does not exist. Nobody knew the cause of TB until the tubercle bacillus was isolated, but it killed literally millions through human history prior to that point.

I wonder what your medical qualifications are, and hope that you are not in a patient facing specialty." ( 5 likes)
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@Robert 1973
Thank you for posting that the first comment originally posted under this article has been deleted. (See below for comment in question). It very quickly gained 4/5 likes, almost as if people were waiting for comments of this sort.
I am actually surprised it has been erased, very glad but surprised because I think the views expressed there have been pretty mainstream about ME until very recently. Now they are not acceptable, to the Times at least. One step forward perhaps.

"The Times is running a deplorable campaign of misinformation about so-called ME/CFS. There is no evidence this "disease" has any physiological or biological origin. Deeply troubled individuals latch on to this mythical diagnosis and your relentless campaign to have it taken seriously will only encourage more people to frame their mental health issues with this invented narrative. Just because one of your staff members has had a terrible tragedy in his life does not mean you have the right to mislead and gaslight thousands of other people."
 
@Robert 1973
Thank you for posting that the first comment originally posted under this article has been deleted. (See below for comment in question). It very quickly gained 4/5 likes, almost as if people were waiting for comments of this sort.
I am actually surprised it has been erased, very glad but surprised because I think the views expressed there have been pretty mainstream about ME until very recently. Now they are not acceptable, to the Times at least. One step forward perhaps.

"The Times is running a deplorable campaign of misinformation about so-called ME/CFS. There is no evidence this "disease" has any physiological or biological origin. Deeply troubled individuals latch on to this mythical diagnosis and your relentless campaign to have it taken seriously will only encourage more people to frame their mental health issues with this invented narrative. Just because one of your staff members has had a terrible tragedy in his life does not mean you have the right to mislead and gaslight thousands of other people."

DARVOin action, now we’re gaslighting people? By having symptoms which we actually have? Troll.
 
Well that's a load of dangeous bullshit.

The Millers and Walitts of this world have a lot to answer for. Let's hope at an inquest someday.


So, Walitt and Nath's unevidenced, hyper-ridiculous pseudo-theorising is now Actually Undermining Realistic Assessment of the death of a woman with ME in the NHS!!

Walitt has a hell of a lot to answer for. And so does everyone who let him loose.

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Is it 10am tomorrow? Apparently you can use the same teams link to attend, if you attended the inquest

it is 14:00 Friday 9 August, per Sarah Boothby’s tweet

https://twitter.com/user/status/1819678810066895345


“…GP Surgery and both divorced parents). HMC is taking time to reflect on the evidence and refer to relevant inquest law before concluding. Conclusion will be read into the public record at *Devon Coroner's Court 14:00 BST Friday 9 August 2024*.
2/4”

use the same link as listening to the inquest.
 
it is 14:00 Friday 9 August, per Sarah Boothby’s tweet

https://twitter.com/user/status/1819678810066895345


“…GP Surgery and both divorced parents). HMC is taking time to reflect on the evidence and refer to relevant inquest law before concluding. Conclusion will be read into the public record at *Devon Coroner's Court 14:00 BST Friday 9 August 2024*.
2/4”

use the same link as listening to the inquest.

Thank you
 
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