Hypnosis and hypnotherapy (also Rapid Transformational Therapy)

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From July but my attention was only just drawn to it.

https://worcesterobserver.co.uk/news/help-for-sufferers-of-long-covid-is-on-offer/

A WORCESTER woman has set up a new business to help sufferers of long Covid.

Sandra Woolven is a certified Rapid Transformational Therapist trained by Marisa Peer, the founder of RTT.

RTT is a therapeutic therapy which embraces practices of hypnotherapy and hypnosis.

The transformative effect on patients teaches individuals to communicate with their subconscious mind and directly resolve the problem.

The business, based in Warndon Villages, aims to eradicate any factors limiting the patient’s ability to live life how they want.

Sandra specialises in helping those affected by long Covid, chronic illness, fatigue and ME to recover more quickly.

Sandra’s motivation to help people came when her son was suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS).

She said: “Finding RTT had been so effective in assisting his recovery and encouraged me to pursue this to help others in similar circumstances.

“With the rise of people suffering from long Covid, it is important to me to help the community so they don’t have to live with it for any longer than they need to.”

 

Interesting.

Given that the method, one of many that all basically have the same message, says it works because changing the way people think can, apparently, change reality;

How does it work on people who are too cold - should they believe they can afford to put the heating on, in short, should they believe they have gas?

And when the bill comes, should they believe that they are not poor, that instead they are billionaires, and behave accordingly.

and when their home is repossessed...should they believe that the large cardboard box they can't find, as no one can afford to replace really big fridge freezers coz the old really big fridge freezer doesn't match the newly installed kitchen, any more, is actually a 76 bedroom mansion, and hire servants to keep it all clean?

Lets all keep the nice lady calm, and find a big net.

(It appears it is true, mental health is a big problem these days, with some people happy being an active danger to others, as long as they make a few quid)

ETA - but, make up your own mind as to RTT and this personage;
https://rtt.com/

 

https://www.sandrawoolven.com/about-me

 

Absurd that we are in the peak era of medical pseudoscience, but this is what happens when medical pseudoscience is made official and standards have to be lowered down to nothing to make it seem legitimate.

This is for all intents and purposes the same as any of the standard BPS treatments. And since they are equally useless, the category is the fully generic non-pharmaceutical interventions, aka whatever, this is basically just another one on the shelves, some with an "Official" label, some not.

 

She's sailing close to the wind of offering cures, in her advertising:

"HEALTH PROBLEMS - recover quickly from Long Covid, Chronic Illness/Fatigue and ME"

https://www.sandrawoolven.com/services

 

I still prefer the Guinea pig healing,you know where you stand with that and it’s instant so no long waits,apart from the queuing
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news...iseases-in-Peruvian-Amazon-20151227-0014.html
According to the ancient shamanic tradition, guinea pigs are meant to "clean" disease and illness and have been used to heal people for hundreds of years.

 

Now I know why I am not winning the lottery, I should have hypnotherapy before buying the ticket.

Will the amount I win be proportional to how much therapy I get.

 

She offers 3 packages:

Unlocked
Unlocked and Untangled
Unlocked, Untangled and Unlimited

Why do these packages sound like wallets and credit cards?

 

Hypnotherapy has become surrounded by many myths. And that is why it is perceived by many people with skepticism. But there is one thesis: each person's reality is determined by his or her own feelings and sensations. This thesis is impossible to refute, but you can try
Hypnotherapy helps to change the very perception of reality, to create a new model of perception.
Besides, modern science knows very little about the subconscious mind. What is it? It is difficult to say exactly.
But what I know for sure is that the perception of reality can be changed. And hypnotherapy helps with this.
For example, one can stop being afraid of dogs How is fear of dogs formed? If one has been bitten or frightened by a dog as a child, this fear can last a lifetime. However, hypnotherapy makes it possible to create a new model of perception of dogs. Yes, the old model in which the person is afraid of dogs will not go away, it will remain in the person's mind forever, but he or she will also form a new model in which the dog is a friend of the person. And it will give him the opportunity to choose between models of interaction with dogs.

 

Hypnotherapy is less helpful than surgical dressings and rabies vaccines when the person is then savaged by their new-found friend. Woolven is offering talking cures for dog bites, not for cynophobia.

Unless she is an Evil Hypnotist, in which case all bets are off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxiOfepOxe8

 

How could anyone know any of that if we know little about the subconscious mind?
Aren't these just the myths surrounding hypnotherapy?

Theories like this are not reliably testable so should have no place in clinical medicine. Something we have been trying to drum into the skulls of the BPS people for a while!

 

If it works for someone who wants to stop smoking, then it works - and that's the proof
I have great doubt that anything, even hypnosis or clinical medicine, will work for someone who doesn't want to stop smoking. Wouldn't it?

 

In the 15th and 16th centuries, Nicolaus Copernicus and Galileo Galilei also put forward a theory that did not fit the then understanding of science. These theories were not finally proven until the 20th century, when people went into outer space and actually saw a round Earth and its rotation around the Sun. Before that, there was only circumstantial evidence of it, but never direct evidence. Isn't that right?
I am not insisting on the exclusivity or correctness of this or many opinions about anything. But I wouldn't feel like God denying something that doesn't fit into my current model of the world. Even if there isn't enough evidence for it. Would you?
After all, the movement of science has always been driven by people who doubted the theories appropriate to the times, even if those theories had impeccable clinical evidence. Like bloodletting, for example
What is BPS?

 

Sorry but it's completely wrong.

This is nothing to do with not fitting previous theories. It is that psychological theories are too vague to be properly testable and most of the time contradict themselves anyway. Copernicus and Galileo had precise tests and results. Maybe read Karl Popper, who defined science for the twentieth century, using psychology as the example of how not to do it!

BPS stands for biopsychosocial - the epitome of non-science. If the bio doesn't explain it you hop to a psycho explanation and if that doesn't do, hop to social and round and round until you have drowned your audience in hot air. It allows psychologists to believe they can tell the cause of people's problems when in reality they have no way of knowing. The BPS pundits are so ignorant that they proudly claim to have shown that Cartesian interactionist dualism is wrong - when it turns out that BPS means interactionist dualism. The whole meme is laughable.

 

For example. One reality about cigarette: cigarette is something that adults do, that gives authority to a teenager, that doesn't harm right now, but makes you feel relaxed, smoking is good.
The second reality about cigarette: cigarette is a slow killer of a person, it's an addiction, it's very harmful to health, it's bad, not smoking is very good.
That's 2 perceptions of reality, isn't it? These are 2 views of the same subject, the cigarette. What kind of pill can strengthen the helpful perception of reality and weaken the harmful one?
Hypnosis can. Why do I think so? I heard of an experiment in which there were 3 groups of students. One was asked to practice throwing a ball into a basket for 2 months, the second only imagined doing it, and the third did nothing. The first group had a 34% increase in basket skills, the second group had a 28% increase, and the third group had no change. I may be a little wrong with the numbers, but I hope I've made my point: just imagining the action has an effect.

 

About the BPS - that's funny
About Copernicus, no, I don't agree. To say that they were right is to commit the error of hindsight. That is, we can now say for sure that they were right. But at the time it was only their view, even if they had tests and results. Those tests and results only proved their notion.

 

I am afraid this is a complete misconception. Nothing new was discovered about the relation of earth to sun by space flight. I am not sure where you got that idea from.

Copernicus's contribution was to say that if we consider the motion of sun and earth taking sun as centre then the mathematical calculations are much simpler so make a lot more sense. It wasn't until Newton that any explanation was offered. What changed in the twentieth century was the proof from relativity that there is no 'fact of the matter' which is at the centre - both accounts are equally good. But since we are on earth the earth-as-centre account has the edge. We can also treat both as whirling around in a galaxy or expanding apart with space since the Big Bang.

 

I like your words The only thing is that with man's entry into space, it was definitely seen that the Earth is in space. Before that there were only theoretical justifications and models.
I didn't get this from anywhere, these are my words. And I could be wrong, as could everyone here.
All in all, I would thank Copernicus for his greatest contribution to science and his courage to stand up to the authorities of the time. He had almost no supporters. Except for Galileo Galilei, but he lived a little later. Maybe there were more supporters, but we don't know about them. And we won't know any more.
My point is this. We have such a phenomenon as hypnosis. And there are two statements about it: hypnosis works and hypnosis doesn't work. Neither of these claims is proven, so the proponents of each claim are wrong. And at the same time, they are right in their right to their opinion We are all right