FatigueSense app

[MrMagoo]

I think the problem is probably that it's relying too much on AI which hasn't the sense to see that someone who has recorded between 400 and 1000 steps on each of the 14 days it's tracked so far is not going to be doing over 6000 steps today. And someone who only moves about for very few minutes at a time and has long spells with no steps isn't going to be cooking a meal for half an hour with 400 steps in that half hour.

It's still telling me at after 10pm that I'm doing very well having achieved about 10% of my planned 6000+ steps.

I suppose AI is only as good as the instructions it has, rubbish in = rubbish out.
I honestly feel like it’s not even AI’s fault, it sounds like they’ve found an old Fitbit app and tweaked a few algorithms. It just sounds very much like the start point was a well person and some bits have been re-organised.

Actually now I think of it, it’s probably been trained on the ten million or so versions of “how to pace” guidelines that exist and are all bunkum. Who was it who was advised to break up their journey to the library over a few weeks? It’s reminding me of that!
Day one - walked half way to library. Unpacked flask and sleeping bag. Found a bench to sleep on.
Day two - walked up to the library doorway, which will be my bed for the night, ahead of tomorrow’s big push in to the library to choose a book!

Also though, how bonkers is it that a paternalistic app is instructing you on the minutiae of your day.

It will be interesting (if you can face it) to see how it deals with you repeatedly not complying with the recommendations. Will it start demanding less of you, or will it push you more?

 

[Jonathan Edwards]

This looks as bad as expected.
Interesting to hear that both Altmann and Sivan at the {PRIME Webinar were assuming the ELAROS app was a helpful tool for everyone to use. That seems to tell people how they are getting on too. The whole approach seems to be make believe.

 

[Trish]

I've had another look this morning. Despite me only doing around 600 steps yesterday, it's telling me today to do over 6000 steps, a different exact number from yesterday. Each morning now it's asking me to rate my physical and mental fatigue and physical and mental energy on scales 0 to 100, with high numbers for worse fatigue and low numbers being worse energy, so you have to be awake enough to think in the right direction for each, even if it meant anything on a hundred point scale. I've forgotten the others, I think emotional energy, whatever that is, mood, stress and depression. Nothing about physical symptoms.

It told me in one section that my HRV is lower than my normal today so I need to rest more and in another section that my lower HRV meant I could exercise more.

I'll try you go through all the sections on it some time today or tomorrow and write a report to send to them. They really need to sort out the problems with it giving contradictory, unhelpful, patronising and downright harmful advice before offering it to sick people to test.

 

[Eleanor]

They really need to sort out the problems with it giving contradictory, unhelpful, patronising and downright harmful advice before offering it to sick people to test.

The impression it gives is that they think people just need to be jollied along, and they don't believe there's any underlying problem which might be made worse if people are given harmful fake advice.