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Explaining the long-term impact of chronic Q fever and Q fever fatigue syndrome on psychosocial functioning, 2019, Hautvast et al

Discussion in 'Health News and Research unrelated to ME/CFS' started by Andy, Apr 27, 2019.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member (& Outreach when energy allows)

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    'Psych researchers in "chronic illness doesn't make for happier patients" shock'!

    Paywall, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022399918304331
    Sci Hub, https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.jpsychores.2019.03.185
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:!!
     
  3. Sean

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    'Degree of pyschosocial intervention for chronically ill patients correlates strongly with levels of irritation in those patients at the psychosocial interventions, says new study.'

    '"Clearly more psychosocial intervention is required", say leading psychosocial intervention experts, to thunderous applause from the adoring media.'
     
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    Apologies for being slow. So this Knoop is more or less the NL equivalent of Chalder. If Knoop is an author it is a tripe alert?
     
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    He's in the Fink range of bad. Chalder is a good analogue, too. Not worth giving it attention unless it somehow gets propped up by people who can't tell the difference between made-up nonsense and actual science.
     
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    Merged thread

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022399918304331

     
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  8. rvallee

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    Comparing a discriminated illness for which no help whatsoever is available with a high profile disease that has management, treatments, widespread awareness in medical personnel, drugs and genuine expertise like diabetes makes no sense. Or basically it's comparing the difference that medical care does to illness, which would actually be useful BPS research for once but that isn't even the intent. Because otherwise obviously unmanaged discriminated illness will fare worse in functioning than the exact opposite. This is like remarking that MS patients today fare much better than they did 50 years ago, an accurate observation, and concluding that the patients' anxiety and "illness perception", whatever that is, back then were to blame for the difference it made in their ability to function.

    But especially, the answer is right there:
    It's precisely the bad (or denied) medical care provided to those patients that causes the observed reduced functioning. And psychosocial ideology is precisely what is making any positive change impossible, because they only look at the smoke and don't care about the fire. So this here is basically the problem offering a solution that cannot be implemented because the problem has no intention of going away any time soon, which is the actual solution to the problem.

    And this is just bizarre:
    Shows they have no idea what they're talking about when they use the word fatigue and just choose the meaning they want. It separates fatigue from physical and cognitive functioning. That makes no sense, other of course than in the usual psychosocial misrepresentation of fatigue as whatever it is they mean by that in the present context. It shows their evaluation of those concepts has no validity to the real world. It's just angels dancing on hairpins. Always. Spinning and twirling.
     
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