David Tuller - Trial By Error: My Time in Canberra

Kalliope · Mar 27, 2018

Trial by Error: My time in Canberra

I’m in Sydney now, but last week I had a busy few days in Canberra. My hosts were the wonderful duo of Libby Steeper and Eleanor Flowers. They treated me like royalty and shepherded me around town to the various appointments they and others had organized.

Diwi9 · Mar 27, 2018

Link to David Tuller's new crowd-sourcing for the coming year: https://crowdfund.berkeley.edu/project/9730/wall

ETA: I see that David just created a dedicated thread for the link.

Esther12 · Mar 28, 2018

re interviewing Lloyd... hoping @dave30th remembered to quiz him on this BS:

This dispute between the various protagonists recently surfaced with the PACE trial published in the Lancet [2], which provided evidence for effectiveness of elements of cognitive‐behavioural therapy (CBT) and graded exercise therapy (GET) for patients with CFS. This publication triggered unscientific and sometimes personal attacks on the researchers in both the scientific literature [3-10] and via the Internet [11].

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3 Feehan SM. The PACE trial in chronic fatigue syndrome. Lancet 2011; 377: 1831–2.
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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2796.2011.02468.x

Dear Sir,

In our commentary 1 on paper by Broderick et al. regarding diagnostic criteria for CFS 2, Professor van Der Meer and I inadvertently cited a letter by Stouten et al. in a section of our correspondence suggesting that their response to the publication of the PACE 3 trial for patients with CFS was unscientific and included personal attacks on the authors of that study, as it was interspersed with a series of letters that met those descriptors. However, it is clear that the letter by Stouten et al. raised valid scientific concerns about the trial. We wish to note that this letter should not have been included as an example in our correspondence and apologize to the authors for any distress caused.
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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joim.12074

dave30th · Mar 28, 2018

Hey Esther12--that specific commentary did not come up but we did talk about his citing of PACE in his work and his attitude toward PACE and related studies. I will report on this later on.

Esther12 · Mar 28, 2018

dave30th said: ↑

that specific commentary did not come up
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It's something I keep forgetting about with Lloyd, but whenever I remember it I screwface. He needs to start writing his letters of apology!

Sean · Mar 28, 2018

I have not forgotten that appalling little chapter. Lloyd and van de Meer still owe grovelling apologies for it.

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