Coronavirus - worldwide spread and control

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The UK plan doesn’t make sense. Now they’re saying within 10-14 days they will ask everyone with a mild fever or respiratory symptoms to stay at home for 7 days. So instead of cancelling events, reducing chances of crowds to congregate, closing schools, asking people to work remotely or doing anything that other countries are doing.. just ask people to stay at home for 7 days if they have some symptoms? But without being tested? So how will they pick up who does and doesn’t have coronavirus? What if you infect everyone else in your family? What if you’re a carer?

Also they’ve done this without announcing how people will afford to be able to do that. Sick pay? Rent and mortgages? When I last went out, so many people were coughing and sneezing due to colds and flu. They’re not all going to stay at home. They can’t afford to. How will this work?
 
TrixieStix said:
A science geek on Reddit posted a complicated mathematical formula showing that for every large gathering of people (even if made up of only young people) it leads directly to X amount of deaths. People need to realize that even if they are at low risk of complications and/or death from Covid-19 that their actions literally can mean life or death for someone else. Do people care enough though?
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People won’t care I think. That’s why the Cheltenham festival is going ahead with potentially up to 250,000 people from across the country over 4 days. It’s up the govt to stop events.
 
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Sly Saint said:
"For pwME, we just don't know".
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PWME do seem to respond to challenges in very different ways.

For instance, some of us have relapsed after a 'flu vaccine, whilst others have it every year with no problem at all. Some pick up every cold that goes around; some almost never get them; some seem to have the same number of colds as everyone else.

It could well be similar with the new virus, i.e. no clearly discernible patterns – at least in those who don't have additional long-term conditions.
 
shak8 said:
For women only, if you fear running out of loo tissue : use an od rag to wipe off the few drops of (sterile) urine. Keep it by the toilet and rinse rag every other day in hot water.

This works and isn't gross at all. This can decrease the amount of tissue used by half.
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NelliePledge said:
If loo paper runs short and you’re using the loo at home one option would be to wash with water and soap use the loo as an improvised bidet keep a plastic bottle by the loo you can fill with water to wash and rinse. You would then just need a small washable towel to dry with. ETA obviously this is easier in a one person household.
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oldtimer said:
After the severe bushfires in Aus recently, and before the coronavirus, I went tissue-free. That felt so virtuous I bought a pile of really cheap face washers from KMart, cut them in quarters, stitched the edges and now have a box of "wee wipes". They get swished around in a bucket of detergent and rinsed when I feel like it.
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Thought people might find this article from the Grauniad of interest.

On a roll: is Britain ready for reusable toilet paper?
Coronavirus fears have led to a run on loo paper as shoppers stockpile. But are fabric, washable cloths a sustainable alternative?

Mostly, these are the worst of times, but for loo roll purveyors and disruptors it will never be better. Sales are up and supermarket shelves are empty as more and more shoppers stockpile. So we should not be surprised by the rise of reusable toilet roll – squares of washable textiles that are linked together with plastic poppers and sold on sites such as Etsy.

If you are, like me, invested in a sustainable lifestyle, the idea is quite thrilling. Reusable represents the gold standard of eco-engineering. Everything that is made and used has an eco footprint, which includes the energy used to create the thing in the first place. Single-use products are the worst, recycled a close second.
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Arnie Pye said:
I just read this twitter thread about the situation with coronavirus in northern Italy :



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https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538

People don't need a twitter account in order to read public twitter threads.
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These warnings coming out of Wuhan and now Italy, are terrifying. Northern Italy has one of the best healthcare systems in the world as ranked by the WHO, and many times the number of intensive Care Beds we have in the UK. 3/4 of our intensive care beds are already taken. Yet this has happened in Italy. It’s going to be too late for us and I don’t know what our leaders think they’re doing by not bringing in social distancing yet. God I feel so helpless and scared. :( :(
 
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It is possible to get things under control - if people do their part.

The South Korea Experience:

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https://t.co/sueAO9XLF7
 
What does an epidemic peak mean? Does it mean the highest number of cases there ever will be in that country?

If so, why did the UK say yesterday a peak is expected within a fortnight? How do they know it’ll come down after that, and How can anyone actually predict a peak until after it’s happened. I don’t think any cases in Europe have peaked yet?
 
Snow Leopard said:
It is possible to get things under control - if people do their part.

The South Korea Experience:

https://t.co/sueAO9XLF7
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This sounds to be a crucial part of how the South Koreans seem to have got on top of things:
"The South Korean government has been among the most ambitious when it comes to providing the public with free and easy testing options. It has the ability run about 15,000 diagnostic test per day and has conducted 196,000 tests to date nationwide, free of charge. Authorities in the city of Goyang even set up drive-thru testing booths.

Detecting patients at an early stage is very important and we learned the simple lessons by dealing with this virus that this is very contagious -- and once it starts, it spreads very quickly and in very wide areas," Park said. "Raising the testing capability is very important because that way, you can detect someone who's carrying the virus, then you can contain the virus."
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lunarainbows said:
What does an epidemic peak mean? Does it mean the highest number of cases there ever will be in that country?

If so, why did the UK say yesterday a peak is expected within a fortnight? How do they know it’ll come down after that, and How can anyone actually predict a peak until after it’s happened. I don’t think any cases in Europe have peaked yet?
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I think it must mean number of cases diagnosed per day. If it was cumulative then it could flat line but never go back down, so to my way of looking at it could never 'peak' though some might nonetheless report it that way I suppose. But I'm no expert on this!
 
Barry said:
I think it must mean number of cases diagnosed per day. If it was cumulative then it could flat line but never go back down, so to my way of looking at it could never 'peak' though some might nonetheless report it that way I suppose. But I'm no expert on this!
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Hmm yes. But how can they imagine it will peak in 2 weeks and the number of cases will start coming down after that, when they’ve basically taken no social distancing measures right now :/ what can that be based on?
 
Another interesting public twitter thread, this time about China and how they’ve fought back against the virus (click on one of the pictures to read full thread):





 
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