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Can psychiatry make medicine better? Michael Sharpe, 29 Nov 2022

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS news' started by Sly Saint, Oct 12, 2022.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://talks.ox.ac.uk/talks/id/c63f76b7-615c-4a60-9f38-5ab81941952a/

    anyone at Oxford who could record this?
     
  2. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Psychiatry has sod all to do with medicine, in the same way as whale songs have sod all to do with accountancy.

    So my answer would be 'No'.
     
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    EzzieD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    As what they have learned in all that time = 'nothing', it will only take a few seconds to cover those 'highlights'. Could be the shortest lecture ever??
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    We know the answer to that. It could, but not as long as people like Sharpe are in it, the poster child for everything wrong with medicine.
     
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    Mithriel Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    There has been research since the 1990s. If there is still a question mark the answer must be "no".
     
  6. Cheshire

    Cheshire Moderator Staff Member

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    Psychiatry could do a lot: get rid of bad science in its field.
     
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    BrightCandle Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The correct answer at this point is not just NO, the consideration of it as medicine at all has completely destroyed the entire medical profession and its bringing down the entire system.
     
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    RedFox Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'm sure psychiatry could make medicine better, if you pointed it in the right directions, and researched with high standards. But as someone else quipped, people like Simon Wessely aren't going to take us there.
     
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    Caroline Struthers Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I am sure I could record, or make a transcript or whatever, It's in my diary!
     
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    alex3619 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I would argue yes, it can. However I would also argue that it wont. Poor scientific methods are deeply entrenched into too much of psychiatry. Some of it has grown up, but some of it is still stuck in 19th century scientific methods.
     
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    Can psychiatry make medicine better?

    Not in its current incarnation.
     
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    Solstice Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    They could pack it in though, that would make it better...
     
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    Grigor Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    "Make medicine great again".
     
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    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    anything to report? (don't blame you if you don't).
     
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    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    not sure if this has been posted elsewhere
    18th Jan 2023

    Michael Sharpe receives Adolf Meyer Award for lifetime achievement
    https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/michael-sharpe-receives-adolf-meyer-award-for-lifetime-achievement
     
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    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    Oh these people do just love giving each other awards. What a travesty.
     
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    Charles B. Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Does anyone have contacts at the American charities? I feel like they could craft a response/organize something meaningful?
     
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    They can't even name a single actual achievement? Just "he ran 3 trials" is good enough to be awarded? You give them an award. In turn they will vote to give you an award. Perpetual motion within humanity's grasp!

    I assume one of those trials is PACE. A debunked fraudulent trial that caused harm. It's actually fitting to reward this in psychiatry. Doing harm is A-OK for many.

    He was or has been running another very large trial about "liaison psychiatry". IIRC this project published a single paper that found that it's not useful. Basically seemed to be awarded for sucking up a lot of money. Very similar to handing out ambassadorships to political fundraisers.

    Participation trophy. The thing about people who whine about kids being handed participation trophies, and I was in that generation, is that we didn't care about them. They pretty much all ended in the trash. Because participation trophies are hollow. Fitting for a hollow flim-flam man.
     
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