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Can l-carnitine reduce post-COVID-19 fatigue?, Vaziri-Harami and Delkash, 2021

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by Dolphin, Dec 18, 2021.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Can l-carnitine reduce post-COVID-19 fatigue?

    RoyaVaziri-harami a ParisaDelkash b
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    The coronavirus disease is a viral infection that could induce different respiratory.

    A significant number of patients infected with the new coronavirus suffer from chronic fatigue.

    Clinical trials have shown the effectiveness of L-carnitine in relieving fatigue.

    A significant number of patients infected with the new coronavirus suffer from chronic fatigue syndrome after COVID-19, and their symptoms may persist for months after the infection. Nevertheless, no particular treatment for post-disease fatigue has been found. At the same time, many clinical trials have shown the effectiveness of l-carnitine in relieving fatigue caused by the treatment of diseases such as cancer, MS, and many other diseases. Therefore, it can be considered as a potential option to eliminate the effects of fatigue caused by COVID-19, and its consumption is recommended in future clinical trials to evaluate its effectiveness and safety.

    Chronic fatigue syndrome
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    angiotensin-converting enzyme 2
    renin-angiotensin system

  2. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Possibly an unpopular post with some here who seem to dislike the idea that a supplement might help.
    Personally I think supplements shouldn't be all grouped together: they should be treated like drugs and looked at individually.

    After reading this trial of 3000 mg of l-carnitine per day in CFS https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9018019/, I tried it and found benefit (but certainly no cure). The effect was evident when I stopped taking it.

    A lot of people with ME/CFS have only tried acetyl l-carnitine, which is different.
    Or they have only tried a low dosage of it. If you went by the labelling on supplement packets, you would probably try 1000 mg a day max and probably a lot less.
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  3. strategist

    strategist Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    It works for me too. Since taking it fairly regularly I'm able to function better. It improves my low stamina levels and poor fasting intolerance. Stopping carnitine suddenly can cause worse fatigue, hunger and hypoglycemia. However I'm not able to tolerate more than a relatively small dose because anything larger is too mentally stimulating and will begin to negatively affect sleep or increase the risk of PEM by making me do too much.

    I take acetyl-l-carnitine. Would l-carnitine be less mentally stimulating, thereby allowing me to increase the dose?
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2021
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  4. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

    Hampshire, UK
    The paper says
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  5. Arnie Pye

    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    I have similar feelings on the subject of supplements although, with a few rare exceptions, I tend to stick to vitamins and minerals. I've decided against trying L-Carnitine though, because of this comment :

    Source : https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1026/l-carnitine
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  6. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Potentially. I’ve read before that Acetyl L-Carnitine affects the brain more.

    This study “Exploratory open label, randomized study of acetyl- and propionylcarnitine in chronic fatigue syndrome” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15039515/ found ALC helped more mental fatigue while the other type which I believe is more like l-carnitine helped physical fatigue.

    I take both but I also take a sedating tricyclic which I started before taking either. It was years before I took the ALC: it was the l-carnitine where I noticed the more noticeable effect on my general functioning.
  7. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Of course, the problem with this is that unless there is a patent, it generally doesn’t make financial sense for a company to invest in an expensive clinical trial of an individual supplement.
  8. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Aotearoa New Zealand
    We have a thread discussing l-carnitine here. Also clicking on the l-carnitine tag (at the top left of this thread) will list other threads tagged with l-carnitine.

    This paper from two Iranian authors is speculative; it does not report any new experimental results. So, they are basically just saying, l-carnitine helps with fatigue in other illnesses so it's worth doing some trials for post-covid-19 fatigue.

    I thought it was interesting that the l-carnitine molecule includes butyrate. I think there have been some indications of abnormally low levels of butyrate producing organisms in the microbiome of people with ME/CFS.

    I'm not sure about all of the claims they are suggesting this 2004 paper made, but it would be interesting to look at the paper. I can't remember if low levels of serum acetyl-l-carnitine has been found in other studies.

    Another paper that sounded interesting.

    Good to see these Iranian researchers accepting that CBT doesn't help with Post-Covid-19 fatigue.
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2021
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  9. Arnie Pye

    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    There is a supplement I take called NAC i.e. N-Acetyl-Cysteine. I read somewhere that it has been available without prescription since the 1960s. It helps a lot of people with severe lung problems. As an ex-heavy smoker I've been using it for about 9 years and it helps to keep my lungs functional most of the time. A lot of people have discovered it in the USA since Covid started. It used to be available online on sites like Amazon US. The FDA has had it removed from Amazon US in the last few months. Apparently pharma companies want to sell it as a drug. It hasn't been removed from sites in the UK, and can still be found online even in the USA. But it is slowly getting harder to find in the USA.
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