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Brian Hughes - If you spend 20 years gaslighting your patients, perhaps you should think twice before accusing *them* of trolling *you*

Discussion in 'PsychoSocial ME/CFS News' started by Cheshire, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    are these the so-called 'secret files'?
    I've not read them before......just started :jawdrop:.........no wonder they wanted to keep them quiet.

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    from SW to Mansel Aylward.


    sounds eerily familiar
     
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    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    eta:
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    about half way thro the dossier..............
    beginning to wonder if we are actually a bunch of robots being abused time and again, like in Westworld
     
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  3. lunarswirls

    lunarswirls Established Member

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    Fixed. :)
     
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    lunarswirls Established Member

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    Yes, it appears to be an overly generous interpretation of this part of said letter:

    But this is how Wessely actually distinguishes between ME and CFS:
    HOWARD, L. M., & WESSELY, S. (1995). Psychiatry in the allergy clinic: the nature and management of patients with non-allergic symptoms. Clinical Experimental Allergy, 25(6), 503–514. doi:10.1111/j.1365-2222.1995.tb01087.x


    Another quote from one of the leading scientists who bravely fought to get ME/CFS recognized as a serious disease in the medical community: /s
    HUIBERS, M. J. H., & WESSELY, S. (2006). The act of diagnosis: pros and cons of labelling chronic fatigue syndrome. Psychological Medicine, 36(07), 895. doi:10.1017/s0033291705006926
     
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  5. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I don't think it needed to be 'fixed'. Different emphasis highlighted different problems. There are so many ways of being irritated by just those couple of sentences!
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'm almost impressed at the sheer density of bullshit in the last quoted paper. It's as if Wessely had never interacted with a human. He describes a complete caricature of human behavior, a kind of machine learning experiment gone wrong, taking decades of psychobabble and distilling them into one perfectly dense nugget of aggressive and condescending ignorance.

    It could not have captured the exact opposite of my experience any better if he had tried, literally no part of his interpretation is relevant to mine.
     
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    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    He seemed to have been onto something here though :rolleyes: ...
    [my bold and underline]
     
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    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wesseley's remarks above, from:

    "confusion between an illness belief, usually self-diagnosed, and a reproducible, reliable, exclusive case definition [12]."

    I wonder which case definition/diagnostic criteria/name of illness this refers to? I cannot think of one that the BPS crowd have thought up that is reproducible, reliable or exclusive!
     
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    Well, this thread has so far uncovered lots of evidence to support @Brian Hughes claim of gaslighting! Only fault is it's more like 30 years than 20.
     
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  10. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    30 years? You should be so lucky. When I was a lad we had to go down to the pond at dead of night and catch the will'o'the wisp methane before it lit, compress it in milk churns and fill the lights before we could read a bedtime story (in the shoebox). Now that were gaslighting.
     
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    Forbin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It couldn't be that people with a primarily physical illness have a stronger belief in a solely physical cause than people who do not have a primarily physical illness, and that the real problem is that the case definition being used simply can't differentiate between the two groups... could it?

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    BTW, if you see this guy hanging around, there's a good chance that he is gaslighting you. ;)

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  12. Lidia

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