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Blog: Is IAPT ‘too big to fail?’

Discussion in 'General disability topics and advocacy' started by Andy, Mar 6, 2019.

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  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    http://therapymeetsnumbers.com/is-iapt-too-big-to-fail/
     
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    Closer to home, however, it’s clear that however positive the latest headlines about IAPT may be, all is far from well. Levels of attrition among clients remain high, levels of staff burnout and low morale are at epidemic levels, and services seem to be haemorrhaging staff.

    I am tempted to say I told you so but I admit to have been guessing at the number of chickens.
     
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    Big Psych expands £££££ €€€€€€€
     
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    Improving Access to Psychological Therapies: An idea that’s failed to deliver
    October 21, 2019
    full blog
    https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2019/10/2...tm_term=&utm_content=SME&utm_campaign=editors
     
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    Another one arguing for 'more traditional' approaches with just as little evidence base.

    Common sense counselling may well be a good thing. I suspect you need something of that sort, but these people need to face up to the reality of needing to have some sort of yardstick for what is justified.

    And it is always justified by statements like 'one in three is mental in some way'. I suspect that you could equally say five out of six are physical in some way.
     
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    That's a gigantic red flag that what is considered "involving mental health" has been stripped of all useful meaning.

    Bloated belly? Mental health.
    Loss of hair? Mental health.
    Soft erections? Oh, you bet that's mental health, mein Sigmund.
    Belief in magical psychology? Yeah that one but unironically.

    I saw a few Twitter threads not long ago that seem to indicate that IAPT actually managed to make both mental health and medical services worse. Which would be kind of impressive if it weren't so harmful.

    And now seemingly there is even a crisis of mental health in NHS physicians, at least according to Clare Gerada, possibly because they are placed in impossible situations. Who knew inventing fake problems and propping up a weird ideology could be a problem? Weird. Seems like everything our friend Simon and his ideological brigade touch turns out bad. Consistently. Might wanna apply a bit more scrutiny here, chaps. Just an idea.
     
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    Wessely's Law: If Sir Simon says it is true, it almost certainly isn't. And vice-versa.
     
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    Simon Wessely is doing his bit
    Qatar 8th International Psychiatry and mental health conference 7 Dec 2019
    https://www.hamad.qa/EN/All-Events/8qimhc/Program/Pages/Saturday-7-Dec-2019.aspx
    (wonder if he wrote this profile himself?)
    how much to fly over to Qatar to give a 1/2 hour speech?
     

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