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BBC video, 'when mental health gets physical'

Discussion in 'PsychoSocial ME/CFS News' started by JemPD, Feb 20, 2018.

  1. JemPD

    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-43058019/when-mental-health-gets-physical

    Although this doesnt specifically say it's about ME/CFS, it's about MUS, & I've seen this woman (the doctor) on a video about CFS before, & recognise her name - Helen something... i cant remember where it was but i'm sure one of you will recognise her.
    The most stand out thing i found when watching it was how spectacularly patronising it is with the singing at the end. ugh. :jawdrop: I suppose it's supposed to show them larking about having fun like children, but for me it just comes over as false, play acting & patronising.

    'Coming to an MUS clinic near you' very soon.:sick:


    The other thing i thought when watching was that I was amazed that no one had dx that girl's panic attacks sooner! I mean honestly, how does someone not recognise their own anxiety. It makes us all look so thick! :banghead:

    N.B. Before anyone points out that this has nothing to do with ME/CFS, .... I know it shouldn't have anything to do with it, but anyone who's been following the progress of UK BPS agenda will know that they are trying to make it very much to do with us.

    Edited to add - Just to be clear - I am not in any way attacking Prof Helen Payne personally, I do not know her & therefore cannot comment. It is her attitude and approach that i find so objectionable.'
     
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  2. Arnie Pye

    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Helen Payne. She gives me the creeps.
     
  3. JemPD

    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    yeah 'the creeps' is the exact correct phrase Arnie Pye.
     
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    Lucibee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Prof Helen Payne

    Well this is all very familiar. I'm going through something similar myself at the mo (not ME/CFS related). I was particularly struck by the "It's just puberty!" thing, because I'm pretty sure it *is* hormonal (I'm at the other end), at least partly.

    And I hadn't recognised it as anxiety until now either. But anxiety is just a symptom of something else that is going on. Like fatigue, it's how your body tells you that something is not right, and that you need to pay attention and do something about it. But I don't think it is necessarily caused by something "psychological".
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I've just finished watching the whole thing, and it just made me uncomfortable and angry. There is this assumption behind all of it that doctors never make a mistake when blaming symptoms on mental health issues, and that physical symptoms can't be real. If they were real "the tests" would have discovered it. (Tests and doctors are infallible, don'tcha know, and they always, always carry out the right tests the first time they see you.)

    Edited for clarity.
     
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  6. guest001

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    At the end of the video it tells viewers to "head to the BBC stories facebook page" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-43058019/when-mental-health-gets-physical

    Now look at what India Rakusen is doing - - a new BBC/ABC collaboration called timesXtwo - the BBC looking at what's trending on social media, or more like the BBC creating what's shared on social media.

    All part of the Establishment propaganda machine.
     
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    Luther Blissett Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Logical fallacies treated through the medium of dance?
    The ignoring of personal experience through a codified system of paternalism?

    Should give everyone the creeps :hug:

    She's behind http://www.pathways2wellbeing.com/index.html and selling this therapy to the NHS
     
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    Luther Blissett Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    We don't want to acknowledge the link between ME and mental health apparently. :sick:
     
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    Cheshire Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Just watched it and I am thrilled to discover that I can get better with one nostril breathing, relaxing, drawing animals and singing nursery rhymes.

    This is even worst than I could have imagined when I read stuff about the pathways 2 wellbeing...
    :nailbiting::wtf::banghead::sick::arghh:
     
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  10. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    Truly awful stuff.
    Did I hear her correctly that she claimed part of its benefit was that it could fill the gap in medical services produced by lack of funding? So no more doctors, just infant teachers getting us to have a jolly sing along and draw pictures. I can't wait.:banghead:
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, I noticed the bit about the gap in services because of a lack of funding, and it made my jaw drop. I've never seen it said so brazenly.
     
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    A creepy, manipulative cult, led by people who are more than a little crazy.

    The manipulation starts when they say that people are in denial about the link between emotional troubles and physical symptoms.
     
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  13. JemPD

    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    thanks for posting that vid @Luther Blissett, horribly enlightening.

    "they don't want to be stigmatised these patients" .... of course, because other patients DO want to be stigmatised. It's nonsense - I find having a mental health dx (a legitimate one PTSD coming 6yrs after ME & for which i got treatment but which still affects me a bit) MUCH less stigmatising than having an ME label. I will happily tell anyone i have PTSD, i dont tell anyone about the ME unless i have to.

    "that's why they put these centres next to pizza hut on the high st''.... are you sure you want to do that? surely that will cause them all to become obese - i mean they cant think for themselves can they, they are like children so if we site it next to pizza hut they will eat too much junk food.
    :mad:

    "we designed a narrative" - to tell patients what it's about..... - you couldnt just be honest about it then? you had to come up with a nice sounding story.

    it gives a staggering insight into the thinking behind these ideologies ...."the specialist medical people couldnt find anything there".... so of course it doesnt exist.

    :emoji_musical_score:all together now "if you're happy and you know it clap your hands":emoji_cartwheel: :sick:
    :emoji_musical_score: if you're livid with rage and you know it _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
     
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    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Funny way to spell 'lie'.
     
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  15. guest001

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    From my 'Anonymous source':

    The same Helen Payne https://directory.hertfordshire.gov.uk/kb5/hertfordshire/directory/service.page?id=xRdkYo_yWwY who it seems has quite an interest as Clinical Director of this social enterprise company - http://www.pathways2wellbeing.com/ . This company appears to have run a MUS pilot for the NHS but possibly that was all that came their way from the NHS. Helen Payne subsequently raised a public question at a meeting of the Hertfordshire Health and Wellbeing Board, maybe in an attempt to drum up more business when the NHS hadn't been forthcoming following the pilot? - see link below. Perhaps there is another explanation, can anyone think of one? Genuine concern for MUS patients perhaps? (Note that there is nothing in this letter to suggest that Payne has anything to do with the company but surely the Health and Wellbeing Board would have known?)

    1 Hertfordshire Health and Wellbeing Board Hertfordshire County ...
     
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    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    These people only exist in these roles because of the PACE trial and its spin-offs, and the cult following that it incubated.
     
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  17. JemPD

    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    On reflection overnight I edited my OP this morning to add the following

    'Just to be clear - I am not in any way attacking Prof Helen Payne personally, I do not know her & therefore cannot comment. It is her attitude and approach that i find so objectionable.'
     
  18. guest001

    guest001 Guest

    Here are the other mental health videos in their 'Like Minds' series that started last autumn - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05vxvzp/episodes/player. I suspect it's all about getting people to engage with these topics on social media and so create news hype about mental health. There's no information about who's directing the videos. Is this what we pay our licence fee for?
     
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    I do find the abuse of language in these videos rather trying. All the talk by Payne of "recovery" not being "cure".

    According to an on line dictionary one of the definitions of recovery is "restoration or return to any former and better state or condition". This is what most patients would mean.

    If psychobabblers mean "improvement" rather than "recovery" they should say so.
     
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    I'm not sure they even mean improvement, they seem to sometimes just mean learning to live with the symptoms, including making adjustments to live within one's limited capacity. I'm probably classed as recovered on some screwy system because I now have fewer crashes. The fact that I have to spend 99% of my time horizontal in order to avoid crashes is incidental.:(
     

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