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Artificial intelligence based discovery of the association between depression and chronic fatigue syndrome, 2019, Chen et al

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by Andy, Mar 17, 2019.

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  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    Hmmm.
    Paywalled at https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032718332300?via=ihub
     
    Andy, Mar 17, 2019
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    This is just way too confused to pay attention to.

    It looks more like part of a project to fluff up Chinese traditional medicine, which is not clear how it relates to questionnaire and urine and plasma analysis.
     
    rvallee, Mar 17, 2019
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    I think I preferred the old days when all we had to contend with was intelligent artificiality.
     
    chrisb, Mar 17, 2019
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    CFS_for_19_years, Mar 18, 2019
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    'And with one bound.. he was free!'
    If there's anything useful in this paper it won't be this sentence.
     
    Skycloud, Mar 18, 2019
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    The Chalder fatigue scale has no relevance to CFS, never mind ME. It is impossible to use as it is so confusing; it is all about comparisons without being clear what they are comparing.

    So any research done with it says nothing about us. Sick of the money wasted this way.
     
    Mithriel, Mar 18, 2019
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    Nothing in this work uses artificial intelligence and it’s really sad that they try to incorporate buzzwords in their title and paper to attract attention.

    CNNs are simply a type of deep learning method which by itself is not AI.
     
    leokitten, Mar 19, 2019
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    Is there anything saying patients cannot refuse the Chalder questionnaire? There are plenty of other ones, e.g Lenny's. What would happen if patients refused? Better yet, researchers and doctors got informed and they refuse to administer it?
     
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    It would be great if they did! I wasn't able to answer any of the questions because they were all about how you feel compared to last week or as usual, something like that. Not about how you feel compared to someone else your age.

    I don't think it is used clinically very much only in "research" about chronic fatigue. It should not be used by any research being paid for by patients's or patient organisations. I think we should demand that and make sure the problems with it are widely known. I believe there are fatigue scales used by other illnesses which are much better so it looks like this scale was devised to make the bps research give the right answer.
     
    Mithriel, Mar 19, 2019
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