Article: Spain, "Lleida scientists discover a marker that allows diagnosing chronic fatigue [syndrome]"

Relying on a Google translate for the English translation. I haven't been able to find the paper this is based on, assuming there is one.

https://translate.google.com/transl...ica_33770_1092.html?__twitter_impression=true

Original article
https://amp.segre.com/noticies/llei...t_diagnosticar_fatiga_cronica_33770_1092.html

I saw this on Anil's Facebook blog page

Code:

https://www.facebook.com/AnilaboutME/posts/1942405466021364

 

I was like YES a post. Someone will explain a bit more about the Catalan part. But it was my own page that came up . I didn't understand the part of the top athletes and the oxygen. Bad translation.

 

It seems so unlikely to me that there will ever be a single diagnostic test for 'CFS'... but then, maybe something like this could be a common feature? Not much info in that article on the work.

 

In case anyone else was wondering what a 'Lleida scientist' was:

 

It will possibly be a common feature for many conditions where fatigue is a symptom , the question is why ?
And the answer to that question may be even different for ME subtypes

 

Still not found the actual paper but found this article from a year ago (but it still doesn't really tell us much).

Google translate - https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...crear/farmacs/fibromialgia&edit-text=&act=url

Original link - https://www.naciodigital.cat/lleida...lleida/obre/portes/crear/farmacs/fibromialgia

 

How is this any different from a normal 2 day exercise test? Strange article btw. Focusing on mindfulness. Ok...

 

if "all blood tests give a negative result" is an accurate translation, then what cohort are they using???!!!

 

Still this seems like it could be a helpful study as my understanding was that previous studies had not found the differences on the 2nd day but not the first...I may be wrong on that...

But to me the more studies that find lack of energy production in cells the better to keep building the evidence against Psychosocial models and increase the movement towards biomedical research to find out why mitochondrial dysfunction is occurring

 

From your Facebook post it says:

The CPET and ergospirometry wouldn't measure O2 levels in muscle cells, so it's possible they were testing something additional as well. Or they might be making assumptions and/or inferring muscle involvement based on CPET/spirometry results.

The article specifically says (translated) :

This suggests they were taking blood samples during or after the CPET, which is not a normal part of a CPET. And they might be referring specifically to blood gas analysis (instead of more general blood tests), which would include oxygen levels. So I suspect that there is a new finding here, though it's possible other groups have done something similar, such as the Lights.

They're an interesting group, doing sport physiology research. But instead of the usual "exercise is great for everyone" stuff, they're looking at dangers of exercise, such as with Cardiological contraindications in sports earlier this year:

Unfortunately they seem to publish primarily in Spanish, which is going to limit the audience of the data they present.

 

https://translate.google.com.au/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://scielo.isciii.es/scielo.php?pid=S1135-57272016000100206&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en&edit-text=&act=url

"Stressful Events in the Onset of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome"

Iraida Gimeno Pi 1 , Mª Luisa Guitard Sein-Echaluce 2 , Lluís Rossello Aubach 3 , Joan Torres Puig-Gros 4 , Joaquim Fernández Solà 5 Lleida Spain

 

Awesome, thank you. It already seemed odd they would come out like that. I also suspected something new. Good. We should wrote them.

 

Am I right in thinking that this is a different publication by them?

 

I think there's only one co-author in common.

 

Does anybody know if Lluís Rosselló's group have published this research yet?

I can't see anything on Pubmed.

 

Deepl.com can’t do whole web page translations but is very good for translating stuff. Their translation of this seems to read better for me but my biology knowledge is minimal so I don’t know if it provides any more information than the google translate version.

 

from 2016
https://translate.google.com/transl...tal-santa-maria-inefc-lleida.html&prev=search

I think these are the people who are supposed to have done the study
http://www.irblleida.org/en/about-us/

 

Looks a bit mixed.
Am wondering what "hippo" therapy is? Possibly lost in translation or probably better left to the imagination.

 

Unless there's another "hippotherapy," it's a form of Equine-assisted therapy. ["Hippo" is Greek for horse, as in "hippodrome." Hippopotamus actually means "river horse.")

From the article, it sounds like horse-riding is used as a form of physical therapy. I would assume that for ME patients it would be little more than sitting on a walking horse. That would still be a form of exertion for the rider. It almost sounds like it is being used in lieu of a treadmill.

I could see the use of horses for physical therapy being a fairly common option in Spain.


[If I'm wrong about all this, I'm going to be very embarrassed!]

 

I need hippotherapy. Someone please give me a horse.