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Article: Nature, "Robust research needs many lines of evidence", Marcus R. Munafò and George Davey Smith

Discussion in 'Health News and Research unrelated to ME/CFS' started by Andy, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member & Outreach

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-01023-3

    Can't remember if it was PACE or some other part of BPS research GDS supported, so I guess he's being ironic when he says "If a study is skewed and replications recapitulate that approach, findings will be consistently incorrect or biased.".
     
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    He resigned from the Journal of Health Psychology in a huff when it published the PACE special edition. I suspect his current drive for good methodology is the usual two-faced bullshit we get from that sort of people ... they pay lip service to good science in the effort to make a name for themselves, but are happy to promote blatant pseudoscience when it's done by the "right" people.

    I suspect that their promotion of good science is an attempt to cover up their own poor work, and their ongoing support of the poor work of others. Much like a compulsive liar yelling "fake news!" periodically, in an attempt to make himself look like the arbiter of truth :rolleyes:
     
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  3. Trish

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    Sounds like good sense, which makes it very strange that GDS supports the BPS 'research' - isn't he one of Crawley's big supporters, and didn't he criticise the JHP issue that reexamined PACE?

    Crossposted with Valentijn
     
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    Yeah, i'm done with these sorts of people. They say things because they make them sound and look good, while on the other hand making a complete mockery of the scientific process by their actual actions.
     
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    Seems to me exactly the same problem as the Chalmers article on the other thread ('Evidence Based Medicine'). It makes one wonder whether this is sort of Lady MacBeth syndrome:
    'out damned spot'.
     
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    The idea of triangulation is quite sensible though - just common sense, but there does not seem to be much of that around these days.
     
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    A very long and complicated explanation of Mendelian Randomisation
    follows on this thread:
     
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    Years ago, an official report on CFS (ME/CFS it would be now) that paved the way to the PACE trial etc said that it was a new type of disease in that it was not a psychological disease or a physical disease but occupied a strange position in between.

    At the time I felt that such an extraordinary claim should have very robust evidence to back it up.
     
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