1. The latest crowdfunder to support David Tuller's work has opened. To donate click here.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Guest, the 'News in Brief' for the week beginning 18th October 2021 is here.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Welcome! To read the Core Purpose and Values of our forum, click here.
    Dismiss Notice

Antioxidant and immunomodulatory properties of Spilanthes oleracea with potential effect in CFS infirmity, 2018, Nipate et al

Discussion in 'BioMedical ME/CFS Research' started by Andy, Nov 24, 2018.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member (& Outreach when energy allows)

    Messages:
    14,360
    Location:
    Hampshire, UK
    Open access at https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S097594761730116X?via=ihub#bib1
     
    Kalliope likes this.
  2. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    4,599
    Location:
    Norway
    hmm - the journal is called "journal of Ayurveda and Integrative Medicine" is the article still of interest? (haven't had a chance to look at it yet)
     
    MEMarge and Milo like this.
  3. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    36,372
    Location:
    UK
    I didn't know mice got ME!

    Edit - just checked. Apparently mice get CFS from swimming a lot.
     
    MEMarge and Hutan like this.
  4. Andy

    Andy Committee Member (& Outreach when energy allows)

    Messages:
    14,360
    Location:
    Hampshire, UK
    I make no claim that it is of interest, I post it so that everyone else can discuss it. :)
     
    MEMarge, Hutan, rvallee and 2 others like this.
  5. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    4,599
    Location:
    Norway
    And I'm very grateful for you doing that, @Andy :)
     
    Hutan and Andy like this.
  6. Andy

    Andy Committee Member (& Outreach when energy allows)

    Messages:
    14,360
    Location:
    Hampshire, UK
    Yep, there has been a number of studies that use the method of forcing mice to swim to exhaustion as a claimed sufficient proxy for ME.
     
    MEMarge and Trish like this.
  7. ladycatlover

    ladycatlover Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    3,358
    Location:
    Liverpool, UK
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
    MEMarge, Hutan and Trish like this.
  8. adambeyoncelowe

    adambeyoncelowe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,417
    But I thought we were all lazy and deconditioned? Are we all extreme sports adventurers now?
     
    MEMarge, Hutan, NelliePledge and 6 others like this.
  9. Andy

    Andy Committee Member (& Outreach when energy allows)

    Messages:
    14,360
    Location:
    Hampshire, UK
    We are, it's the mice who aren't..
     
    MEMarge, rvallee, Trish and 2 others like this.
  10. Daisybell

    Daisybell Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    2,534
    Location:
    New Zealand
    You have to feel sorry for the mice..... what a complete waste of time, energy and resources.
     
    MEMarge, Hutan, rvallee and 5 others like this.
  11. adambeyoncelowe

    adambeyoncelowe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,417
    There's no internal consistency with some of these theories.
     
  12. Mij

    Mij Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    5,155
    I have heard that there is an "ME engineered mouse" waiting to be funded and studied at a major Canadian university.
     
    MEMarge, ladycatlover and Trish like this.
  13. boolybooly

    boolybooly Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    267
    How do they know it is an ME mouse when we dont know what ME is yet?

    The mouse swimming is a stress protocol, which suggests a priori presumptions about the nature of ME in relation to a psychological model.

    This isn't science its advertising.
     
  14. Ryan31337

    Ryan31337 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    301
    Its obviously a very poor analogue but I do wonder if there could be at least some relevancy, given how similar PEM can be to overtraining syndrome.
     
    MEMarge likes this.

Share This Page