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Antioxidant and immunomodulatory properties of Spilanthes oleracea with potential effect in CFS infirmity, 2018, Nipate et al

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by Andy, Nov 24, 2018.

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  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    Open access at https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S097594761730116X?via=ihub#bib1
     
    Andy, Nov 24, 2018
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    hmm - the journal is called "journal of Ayurveda and Integrative Medicine" is the article still of interest? (haven't had a chance to look at it yet)
     
    Kalliope, Nov 24, 2018
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    I didn't know mice got ME!

    Edit - just checked. Apparently mice get CFS from swimming a lot.
     
    Trish, Nov 24, 2018
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    I make no claim that it is of interest, I post it so that everyone else can discuss it. :)
     
    Andy, Nov 24, 2018
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    And I'm very grateful for you doing that, @Andy :)
     
    Kalliope, Nov 24, 2018
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    Yep, there has been a number of studies that use the method of forcing mice to swim to exhaustion as a claimed sufficient proxy for ME.
     
    Andy, Nov 24, 2018
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    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
    ladycatlover, Nov 24, 2018
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    But I thought we were all lazy and deconditioned? Are we all extreme sports adventurers now?
     
    adambeyoncelowe, Nov 24, 2018
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    We are, it's the mice who aren't..
     
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    You have to feel sorry for the mice..... what a complete waste of time, energy and resources.
     
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    There's no internal consistency with some of these theories.
     
    adambeyoncelowe, Nov 24, 2018
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    I have heard that there is an "ME engineered mouse" waiting to be funded and studied at a major Canadian university.
     
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    How do they know it is an ME mouse when we dont know what ME is yet?

    The mouse swimming is a stress protocol, which suggests a priori presumptions about the nature of ME in relation to a psychological model.

    This isn't science its advertising.
     
    boolybooly, Nov 25, 2018
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    Its obviously a very poor analogue but I do wonder if there could be at least some relevancy, given how similar PEM can be to overtraining syndrome.
     
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