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Acute Phase Phospholipids Related to the Cardiolipin of Mitochondria in the Sera of Patients With CFS, ciguatera, GWI, 2008. Hokama et al

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  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Acute Phase Phospholipids Related to the Cardiolipin of Mitochondria in the Sera of Patients With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Chronic Ciguatera Fish Poisoning (CCFP), and Other Diseases Attributed to Chemicals, Gulf War, and Marine Toxins

    Yoshitsugi Hokama 1 , Cara Empey-Campora, Cynthia Hara, Nicole Higa, Nathaniel Siu, Rachael Lau, Tina Kuribayashi, Kenichi Yabusaki

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18348309/
     
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    mariovitali Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The PDF version with the full paper can be found here :

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6649096/pdf/JCLA-22-99.pdf


    From the paper :


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    Here is where the Liver comes into play :


    So Liver, cardiolipin antibodies, antiphospholipids. They mention that the toxin CTX (ciguatoxin) is most likely affecting the Liver but they also suggest that Liver involvement may hold for other cases as well :


    Next let's look at Anti-phospholipids :


    from : https://www.york-me-community.org/s...d-fibromyalgia-the-dysautonomia-conference-4/

    Cardiolipin antibodies in ME/CFS, same authors .Has this been replicated? :


    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19623655/



    FWIW, using some new techniques that attempt to find the cause (highly experimental) suggest -as a hypothesis as always- that the most likely causative problem is in the Mitochondria-associated Membranes (MAMs).
     
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  3. wigglethemouse

    wigglethemouse Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    For those in the US that are interested here are a couple of antiphospholipid Syndrome diagnostic tests from Quest that include testing for anti-Cardiolipin (aCL) antibodies.

    Antiphospholipid Syndrome Diagnostic Panel
    https://testdirectory.questdiagnost...spholipid-syndrome-diagnostic-panel?cc=MASTER

    Antiphospholipid Antibody Panel
    https://testdirectory.questdiagnostics.com/test/test-detail/14890/?cc=WDL

    Dr Jill Schofield has talked about this disease in her presentations on complex chronic disease patients she sees. Here is an excerpt from her website. In simple terms "sticky blood".
    https://www.centerformultisystemdisease.com/services/antiphospholipid-syndrome
    I've heard of a few ME/CFS folks testing positive for these.
     
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  4. Mithriel

    Mithriel Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The research was done in Hawaii but I believe the main scientist retired or, possibly, died and the research joined all the rest of the promising ME work that just faded away.

    I seem to remember reading that one of the problems was that the Hawaii work tended to talk about ciguatoxin but the work from the NIH spoke about anticardiolipin. Even though these were the same thing, it meant that the quantity of research seemed half of what it actually was.
     

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