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Vascular ATP‐sensitive K+ channels support maximal aerobic capacity and critical speed via convective and diffusive O2 transport, 2020, Colburn et al

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  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    In rats.
    Paywall, https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1113/JP280232
    Sci hub, https://sci-hub.tw/10.1113/jp280232
     
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    Interesting. I am always low on potassium and get muscle cramps for hours if I don't supplement it. I'm sure they need to do a lot more to show this applies in humans, though.
     
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    Potassium seems to be the element that tanks in refeeding syndrome. On the other place there were numerous threads on potassium deficiency after starting a new supplement. Folate (and methylated Bs) seemed to be especially problematic. V8 juice and coconut water seem to be good at bringing levels up/ checking status.

    I havn't read the paper - would this feed into the hypoxia theory?
     
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    Ah, so B vitamins might deplete potassium?
     
  5. adambeyoncelowe

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    Looks like B12 can do, yeah (and potassium can deplete B12 too). Which might explain a lot. That's that in the bin then!
     
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    Nothing is ever easy is it ? An ever moving goalposts.

    Given that potassium is key for cellular pumps , how does the finding affect sodium?
     
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    For what it's worth, sulphonylureas are quite widely used herbicides e.g. from a study of spray diaries of NZ cereal growers
    In a quick google, I didn't find such much evidence of, or concern about, toxicity to humans.
     
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    I know. Everything has a knock on effect.
     
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    The key point is that muscular capillary function is not controlled by central nerves like Arteries and veins, but regulated locally to maintain a constant-flow condition (variable pressure).

    It is already known that KATP channels play a key role.

    Some more discussion here:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4132831/
     
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    KATP channels seem potentially relevant to ME/CFS - ATP signalling; vascular tone regulation; mention of sepsis, ROS.

    I don't have time/capacity right now to dig into that paper that @Snow Leopard posted. I'd have to draw some diagrams to work out what is making what go up or down. But @Snow Leopard, or anyone else, if you have the time and interest to translate and summarise, I'd appreciate an easy way into understanding a bit more about this.
     
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    I don't really know that much and don't have the energy to explain much. I'm not sure what needs explaining either.

    A key point is that these are "inwardly rectifying" channels, meaning it is easier for K+ ions to travel into, rather than out of the cell. This means they are meant to be closed during depolarisation, and open during repolarisation.

    Wikipedia says this: (on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depolarization)

    Not that the function in veins/arteries is to maintain flow while keeping pressure in bounded range (and under central control). Whereas in capillaries, the goal is to maintain flow, even if pressure can be relatively high or relatively low in comparison to the arteries.
     
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