United Kingdom: Salford CFS Service, Northern Care Alliance

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    https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/our-services/me-cfs-management-programme/introduction
    Awful, and an illustration of how the word 'complex' is used to mean a combination of physical and psychological factors.



    I could go on, it's all thoroughly dreadful. Someone needs to tell them that the 2021 NICE Guideline happened.
     
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    I smell lawsuits.
     
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    Can someone make sure the website is archived?
     
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    IMG_3395.png IMG_3399.png IMG_3398.png IMG_3397.png IMG_3396.png IMG_3395.png https://archive.ph/78EXb

    there’s so many live links it really needs screenshotting.


    And remember, if it’s hard to relax and enjoy things, “fake it til you make it”
     
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    This should be everything, I think...

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    a reply to the quote in the first post in this thread (can’t cut and paste it atm)


    Suggested assertively based on no proof knowledge or care about whether that’s true or does anything whatsoever for health function or even happiness - I find it astounding as that makes it just a manifesto of some randos ideas of ‘shoulds’ justified (in their head) by making up their own beliefs that it works rather than harms to ‘stop being symptom dependent’ aka it’s still pushing ‘over sensitive to bodily sensations’ crud that causes untold damage including psychologically

    ie against the main line in the 2021 guidelines underlining it’s ‘spirit’ in anticipation of wheedlers who might likely just use tricks and slight of hand in response to a serious issue by just change name or flavour of things that were based of disproven delusions of deconditioning or ‘patients being the ones with false beliefs’ - I don’t think that needed to actually say ‘and so anything behavioural based on thinking fake it til you make it’ or worse for it to be plain as day but…

    I don’t understand how the professions professional associations permit those under them to push such harm therefore and to use a pretence it’s ’mental Health’ rather than behavioural training for reasons that aren’t heakthy and without informed consent given the embedding (without even telling people you are doing it nevermind asking), then telling fibs about the effects of following these suggestions so major ethical breaches surely and gaslighting ‘in the name of’ a profession or treatment whose names been nicked fur something that isn’t mental ‘heakth’ but just bs screwing up people. How are letting this behaviour happen?
     
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    Why are my taxes being wasted on paying people do this? Ok I don’t work any more but still, I’d rather there was nothing on an NHS website except a list of contact names and a link to some ME websites, than this nonsense.
     
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    Mmmm
    How will PROMS sit within such services .
    Sadly probably ensure they continue
     
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