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[UK] REF2021 - Can nominate panel members. Deadline is 20th December at noon!

Discussion in 'Health News and Research unrelated to ME/CFS' started by Esther12, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    REF2021 is really important to UK universities for the assessment of their research, and the allocation of future research funding.

    I only just saw this, and expect it may be too late for people to sort out: http://www.ref.ac.uk/about/nompan/

    The last REF project seemed totally credulous in its assessment of research like PACE, so it would be great to include people interested in thinking critically about the work being reviewed.

    More generally, I wonder if the REF process is something we should be attempting to engage with. I wonder if there is any process to allow people to point out misleading claims in earlier submissions.
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  3. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This looks to me like part of 'the system'. It allows very open and democratic but is the complete opposite. You get elected if you are the right sort of chap as defined by the right sort of chaps. Anyone casting doubt on any other right sort of chap will be politely told they will not be needed further.
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That was my suspicion too. Still, they did mention wanting to increase involvement from those with disabilities, etc. Also, they might not be great at filtering out us wrong sorts? Getting people in the room on things like this could be really helpful.
     
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    Andy Committee Member

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    Yeah, sorry. Deadline of tomorrow midday is too soon for me to be able to deal with it, especially if Jo doesn't believe that it's particularly worth our time anyway.

    ETA: Thanks for flagging it up though. :)
     
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    I do wonder if a complaint could be made about the PACE entry into the REF process. They claimed great success and influence and their long term legacy will be as an example of how not to run a trial. The problem seemed to be that REF did not checking on submissions so universities could say whatever they want.

    It will be interesting to see what Bristol put in for Crawley's work.
     
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  7. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes... my thoughts exactly.

    I was never able to find how/if REF2014 did any sort of independent evaluation of the claims on research impact submitted to them. The submissions made around CFS were pretty consistently absurd. Considering the amount of funding that can be affected by REF, it all seemed very dodgy.
     
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    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I have always found the word excellence should be associated mentally with the little action of touching the side of the nose with the forefinger twice.

    Is there an emoji for that?
     
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    Forbin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Well, there's Newman and Redford from "The Sting."

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