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Trial By Error: A Letter to BMJ Open

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Eagles, Feb 19, 2018.

  1. Eagles

    Eagles Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    NelliePledge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Good to see our top scientists weighing in again against more dodgy research
     
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    Sbag Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    good start to the week :)
     
  4. Luther Blissett

    Luther Blissett Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Professor Racaniello does write a good letter.

    As usual, many thanks to everyone involved, however big or small, seen or unseen who worked together to produce the information involved.
     
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    One of the letter's great strengths - amongst many - is that it tightly focuses on just one issue, but an issue that is absolutely damning and totally inescapable.
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Another strong letter. Thanks to everyone involved. Thought I'd add a couple of extra links on the school attendance study for people who might be new to this -

    Here's the misleading COPE submission on this: https://publicationethics.org/case/service-evaluation-research-controversial-area-medicine

    And Tuller's blog about it: http://www.virology.ws/2018/01/02/trial-by-error-the-school-absence-study-revisited/

    re SMILE, it really is clear cut that SMILE does not meet this requirement:

    "In accordance with the ICMJE Recommendations, BMJ will not consider reports of clinical trials unless they were registered prospectively before recruitment of any participants. This applies to trials which commenced after 1 July 2005; for older trials retrospective registration will be acceptable, but only if completed before submission of the manuscript to the journal."

    I wonder if Crawley lied about this as part of the BMJ submission process? Their trial registration already falsely claims that it was prospectively registered: http://www.isrctn.com/ISRCTN81456207
     
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  7. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Looks like the latest COPE meeting led to no further information, and this new conclusion:

    https://publicationethics.org/case/service-evaluation-research-controversial-area-medicine

    Wow. What impressive follow-up. COPE are awesome at dealing with ethical problems.

    Previously:

    https://web.archive.org/web/2018030...ne+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-b
     
  8. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Interesting. I do not think this BMJ Open decision will be the last we hear about this issue.
     
  9. Sean

    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Lofty noble intentions and rules are utterly meaningless if they are not enforced.

    Few things will create general cynicism and despair and disengagement more effectively than that situation.
     
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    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Ostriches, heads and sand come to mind. They just don't realise it's their backsides about to get bitten.
     
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    Valentijn Not a moderator

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    COPE never had noble intentions - their structure and rules have been formulated to act as a rubber stamp for the members (journals) and silence the public criticism of those journals when they commit ethical violations.
     

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