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Response: Sharpe, Goldsmith and Chalder fail to restore confidence in the PACE trial findings

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic research - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by Tom Kindlon, Mar 26, 2019.

  1. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It's when you use the blunt face of the razor. It doesn't so much cut as crush and puree but then all you have to do is redefine what cutting means and you're good to go, fast-track everything to the Lancet and have your buddies do a positive review for Cochrane.
     
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    Sharpe really is incorrigible. As always, strongly implying untruths by very selectively filtering the truths that get seen and those that get hidden. He is getting so blatant with it now. Desperate? And he purports to be a scientist. He seems to think this is how science is done. I'm convinced this mindset played a major part in the PACE methodological flaws.
     
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  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Why did I suddenly think of cubscouting?

    Can't understand basic science, can only understand tweeting inane non-sequiter gripes?
     
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    Skycloud Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This has to have a bearing on the Cochrane review. Surely the weaknesses of the PACE trial paper are so laid bare now that there's no place left to hide them however hard some might try. I'm having trouble weighing this up against my ingrained low expectations though. What do others think?
     
  6. BruceInOz

    BruceInOz Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    If you declare the PACE trial inadmissable (because changing endpoints to make sure you get the right result is not science - as the authors have admitted they did in print) and use the published results from FINE rather than the unpublished adhoc results, there can barely be enough numbers left to say anything, can there?
     
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    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm working with our local health authority to revise the clinical guidance for ME/CFS. And this morning the health authority forwarded an email from a physiotherapist who seemed very pleased to have found the Sharpe, Goldsmith and Chalder article defending PACE. And the health authority people asked the question, 'Any comments?'.

    And I, even in my PEM and migraine befuddled state, smiled. I attached the Wilshire and Kindlon article to my reply, knowing that it set out, beautifully clearly, what needed to be said. Thanks Tom and Carolyn.
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    If they couldn't spot the problems with that piece for themself, that's a sign that they really shouldn't be getting paid for anything to do with CFS.
     
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  9. rvallee

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    FINE had null results and it's still used as positive evidence in the review. Quality of evidence is obviously not a factor here.

    But it's hard to maintain the value of the review without the only ersatz evidence of any value, thanks to its combined eminence of being very expensive and being published by The Lancet (who would never, ever publish flawed research, QED).
     
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  10. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Bizarrely I found this on MS twitter feed
    Using evidence to overcome fake news about healthcare
    a podcast of a shortish lecture by Professor Carl Heneghan
    http://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/using-evidence-overcome-fake-news-about-healthcare

    CEBM is
    The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine develops, promotes and disseminates better evidence for healthcare.
    https://www.cebm.net/

    he's on twitter
    https://twitter.com/carlheneghan?lang=en
     
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