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RED Lab, Belgium -- experiences?

Discussion in 'Laboratory and Genetic Testing' started by ScottTriGuy, Mar 15, 2020.

  1. ScottTriGuy

    ScottTriGuy Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Has any one used RED Lab in Belgium for any of their testing?

    "R.E.D. Laboratories is a private Belgian company, focused on developing and performing specialty research and diagnostic tests for chronic immune disorders, intestinal dysfunctions, tick-borne diseases (Lyme disease) and multifactorial disorders like autism and CFS."

    https://redlabs.be

    My 'ME' physician said I should consider using their lab but it's the first I've heard of them.
     
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  2. dadouv47

    dadouv47 Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    it's the lab KDM uses for his patients (like me). I use this lab twice a year.

    I think the tests for leaky gut,intestinal dysbisios and intestinal dysfunctions are pretty good (really expensive though). Same to see if u have Ammonia/neurotoxins because of gut issues.

    The have a new Lyme test but not so sure if it's good or not...results are quite weird for most patients.

    If you can afford it financially, it's worth trying.
     
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  3. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    Is there any point testing for these things? There should be tests for SIBO and GI pathologies available in local health services, and IBS is based on symptoms.

    I assume the tests you have listed then leads to prescription of expensive, and probably untested, 'treatment'.
     
  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    My investigations into Red Labs in the past suggest that their tests may be unreliable and not properly validated. I would personally recommend having nothing to do with them.
     
  5. TiredSam

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    I looked into Redlabs and KDM in 2014 / 2015, and at the time wrote about it on another forum. Here's what I found/wrote at the time:


    http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/CallForResignation.htm

    KDM takes out patents on his inventions (from 2004 until as recently as 2014), and then assigns them to R.E.D. Laboratories, where he sends his patients for tests, or to Protea Biopharma, which produce supplements that he prescribes:

    http://patents.justia.com/inventor/kenny-de-meirleir

    Here's a site with some patient reviews:

    http://www.pugilator.com/awareness/prof-dr-kenny-de-meirleir-and-himmunitas/
    [now a dead link]
    In the comments section here is one by "Esther" in 2011, which seems to be echoed by some other commenters:

    "I have been consulting Dr. De Meirleir for a little less than a year now, and have -like others before me- come to the conclusion that it isn’t worth the effort, and certainly not the money. The tests are exorbitantly expensive, not refunded by national health insurance, and, as Johan said, not always relevant."

    I also found a link to a webpage showing that Dr. De Meirleir has a financial interest in R.E.D. laboratories, which he sends his patients to, which must create a potential conflict of interests:

    http://cfsmirror.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/profit-and-loss.html


    That was in 2015.

    The reliability of the claims made in the above links has been hotly disputed in many discussions, for example on this thread:

    https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/the-de-meirleir-experience.21586/

    The extent of KDM's financial involvement in R.E.D. laboratories and whether it's a problem (e.g. regarding transparency and conflict of interests) has long been a matter of strong opinions and interminable arguments.
     
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    brf Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'm so glad you posted @TiredSam
    I looked in vain for this information for @ScottTriGuy but, of course, couldn't remember the details or even where to find it.
     
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  7. dadouv47

    dadouv47 Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    Weird that this thread is all about KDM. I think it's important to make a distinction between KDM and Redlabs. He's not the only Doctor to use that lab. I know a lot of Belgian/Dutch people that don't trust KDM treatment plans but still use Redlabs to get other types of treatments.

    The discussion should be about which Redlabs tests are useful (and obviously if those tests are reliable or not)

    I'm skeptical about both (KDM & Redlabs but mostly KDM to be honest) but think it's fair to make the distinction.
     
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  8. ScottTriGuy

    ScottTriGuy Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thanks all for the comments and information.
     
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