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Psychosocial treatments for employees with non-specific and persistent physical symptoms associated with indoor air, 2020, Selinheimo et al

Discussion in 'Other psychosomatic news and research' started by Andy, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    Paywall, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022399919306683
    Sci hub, https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.jpsychores.2020.109962
     
    Andy, Feb 22, 2020
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    So the treatments didn't work, but that's OK because the participants found the treatment acceptable.
    Funny how they always have to put a positive spin on null results.
     
    Trish, Feb 22, 2020
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    The treatment being ineffective renders the question of acceptability irrelevant.
     
    Sean, Feb 22, 2020
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    Seems to have worked for them so far. :grumpy:
     
    Sean, Feb 22, 2020
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The framing is bizarre: symptoms associated with indoor air. Who makes the association? Baseless assumptions about health anxiety, it seems:
    What evidence? Some. People are saying, I guess. So the "association" is entirely made by the researchers, who then blame it on health anxiety in patients. Talk about eating your cake and having it too. Of course the only relevant thing here is "focus on bodily symptoms", the same old tripe as always and, as always, CBT is the answer to a question no one was asking.

    Since the "indoor air" part is completely superfluous, this is simply yet another CBT for MUS (oh, I'm sorry, I guess it's SSD now, rebranding and all), same as every other, useless as every other, irrelevant as every other. I have no idea why they think it's relevant that a useless thing is "acceptable". You can make almost anything acceptable in a clinical context where you instruct people to do something. Feng shui is acceptable to some. Astrology is acceptable to some. Hell, hazing is acceptable to some. Completely irrelevant.

    I also have no idea what is psychosocial about CBT. It's 100% psychological, just say it, nobody cares and you look like a bunch of charlatans when you misrepresent your intent like that.
     
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    Surely if you want to test if people are affected by indoor air, you'd open the windows or send them outside, not give them CBT.
     
    Trish, Feb 22, 2020
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    I'm scratching my head wondering how CBT for low quality indoor air managed to gain any traction as an idea with anyone.

    Clearly somebody is breathing some funny air.
     
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  8. rvallee

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    Which also happens to be everyone.

    Next up: a study on a subset of people who eat food?
     
    rvallee, Feb 22, 2020
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    probably a rehash of sick building syndrome . very popular with bs artist in the 90s I think . no body bothered checking for all the toxic products that are commonly used in modern manufacturing paint containing fire retardants and such .
     
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    The employers could start by making sure that buildings are properly cleaned and ventilated especially if they are going to expect people to work in air conditioned offices. Sick buildings notoriously spreading legionnaires through A/c. I worked in a building that had pigeons roosting on the glass roof which wasn’t a/c and had a system of air circulation including some vents on the roof. Some of us in certain parts on the top floor would occasionally come in to find one or two pigeon feathers on the desk. This was of course complained about and management got in some health & safety expert who did testing and reckoned there was no risk from this. Yeah right. In the end they had to put netting on the roof to stop the pigeons roosting.

    This research is just to support employers in blaming employees for being ill. Same old story
     
    NelliePledge, Feb 23, 2020
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