Parents trying to cure autism by giving children MMS/bleach, article, investigation, petition

Indigophoton

Indigophoton

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Desperate parents forcing kids to drink bleach as autistic children become victims of sick US cult

Sunday People investigation: At least six police forces across Britain have questioned families over allegations children as young as two were forced to drink bleach and turpentine.

Some were also given bleach enemas to purge “parasites” which a church cult and unqualified advocates like ex-drug addict Danny Glass blame for causing the behavioural condition.

Tonight, as a task force of MPs and campaigners investigated, a doctor warned that the quack remedies will end up killing children.
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Some parents apparently believe that the bleach is removing parasites from their children, but, rather horrendously, it is probably destroyed tissue they are seeing in the enemas,
Horrified British GP Dr Foster, who runs a private practice at the Spire Parkway Hospital in Solihull, West Midlands, said: “Chlorine dioxide causes abdominal cramps, vomiting and diarrhoea.

"If you drink it on a long-term basis it causes inflammation of your gut lining, stomach, oesophagus and intestines. At some stage something pops and then you can bleed to death.

“Your gut will excrete whatever has just been shed from having this irritant, and that’s likely what parents are seeing come out. They might make claims the doses are so small that it’s not like giving proper industrial bleach. But no dose is safe.”

The twisted treatment is now coming under scrutiny of authorities in the UK.

The Autism Commission, made up of MPs and campaigners, is expected to include recommendations to tighten the law surrounding so-called cures.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-kids-forced-drink-bleach-11924623

There is a petition on Change.org asking the UK Minister for Health to ban sales of autism 'cures'. The petition has been going for a while, but looks to be getting a boost thanks to the article,

https://www.change.org/p/phillip-dunne-make-autistic-cures-illegal-in-the-uk
 
MErmaid said:
And the scam continues, with a slight twist, as they are now asking for money to free the Felon, on probation, who once sold MMS.
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Sadly, there's a petition supporting Daniel Smith, the felon in question, on Change.org, which has apparently been accepted by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the US . The top comment on the petition seems to sum up the problem as far as the supporters go,
Matthew wells·
I'm signing because there is no clear evidence presented by the FDA stating that the offending product is not effective nor that it's is even harmful to people's health. I have not even looked into my above statement and I know perfectly well there is no need to simply because I know how the FDA and the pharmaceutical company's operate when it comes to anyone who offers a safe affective product that threatens their rule and profits. I have said it before and I'll say it again the FDA and the pharmaceutical company's and the government political powers that assist are all fat greedy pigs who only care about money. Disease maintenance and symptom management is big business.
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People using this stuff are making themselves good contenders for the Darwin Award,
Wikipedia said:
The criterion for the awards states, "In the spirit of Charles Darwin, the Darwin Awards commemorate individuals who protect our gene pool by making the ultimate sacrifice of their own lives. Darwin Award winners eliminate themselves in an extraordinarily idiotic manner, thereby improving our species' chances of long-term survival."
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Indigophoton said:
Sadly, there's a petition supporting Daniel Smith, the felon in question, on Change.org, which has apparently been accepted by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the US . The top comment on the petition seems to sum up the problem as far as the supporters go,

People using this stuff are making themselves good contenders for the Darwin Award,
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Yes, it’s all the FDA’s and Pharma’s fault! That’s sort like saying, “The devil made me do it!”
 
Barry said:
"Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS)" ... how do people not see the word in there that is a ginormous red flag?
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The best part is how many diseases it can cure, believers don't want to realize that each disease has a different cause and mechanism, nothing can cure them all simultaneously. In the end it seems to be about conspiracy theories (its not mainstream because its being suppressed), belief (no facts needed if you believe) and suspension of rational thought (why do we need to know how to fix something or even what is actually wrong, mr charismatic and intuitive snake oil salesman is enough evidence).
 
Barry said:
But what else would you expect from a 'miracle' cure, especially one promoted by the likes of Jim Humble ...

It even seems to be his real name!
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Thats what i meant by suspension of rational thought
Perhaps the biggest flaw in education is the failure to teach rational thought and its importance (and history), how to identify irrationality and the difference between science and (gameable) intuition.
 
Alvin said:
Thats what i meant by suspension of rational thought
Perhaps the biggest flaw in education is the failure to teach rational thought and its importance (and history), how to identify irrationality and the difference between science and (gameable) intuition.
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You can only teach rational thought to a degree. There will always be plenty of people prone to believe complete bullsh*t, especially when it is spun by those gifted at it.
 
Barry said:
You can only teach rational thought to a degree. There will always be plenty of people prone to believe complete bullsh*t, especially when it is spun by those gifted at it.
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Thats why you start early, teach children how to discern bullshit and society will benefit. It won't be 100% but it will do far better then we are today. Any improvement is useful but if we can teach math we can teach wisdom (at least how to identify alternative facts). People sometimes refuse to use math, it has not stopped it being taught in schools. Education provides tools, we can't guarantee everyone will use those tools but if they are not taught then we are counting on luck that they are learned elsewhere. I'm not a fan of luck.
 
Barry said:
You can only teach rational thought to a degree. There will always be plenty of people prone to believe complete bullsh*t, especially when it is spun by those gifted at it.
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I agree. Sorry Descartes, we're not rational beings and never will be. We're driven by emotion and belief. We are quite good at using our rational capbilities to support our emotionally motivated beliefs. But that's not really the same thing, is it?

You can't educate people to be rational, because its not reasonable to expect to fundamentally change how the human mind works. All you can do is teach skills that might help people to manage the worst excesses of human judgement - sometimes, in some situations.
 
We can also all try to help one another by calling each other on our bullshit.

We might all be irrational in our own silly ways, but so long as we're aware of this, and try to make room for debate and criticism with a wide range of people we can protect ourselves from going too far wrong).

PS: Until recently I'd thought "Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS)" was like "Myhill's Magic Minerals", which is just Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium, Zinc, etc.
 
Woolie said:
You can't educate people to be rational, because its not reasonable to expect to fundamentally change how the human mind works. All you can do is teach skills that might help people to manage the worst excesses of human judgement - sometimes, in some situations.
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We have the ability to be rational. We can choose to use it if we want to. Teaching people how to weed out laughable obvious lies is not an impossible task.
 
Humble also claims to be a billion-year-old god from the Andromeda Galaxy sent to Earth to save humans.
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Ah - this at least is easily tested.

I'm taking a small risk here, but being turned into a pillar of salt seems like a pretty benign and merciful way to go, and the old lightning strike routine, at least the pair of smoking shoes left behind has comedic value.

So....testing....I'd suggest an industrial mincing machine, and the output is fed to polar bears (polar bears are having a hard time these days and need every calorie they can get), and penguins i.e. at opposite ends of the planet.

As a god, whilst this may be inconvenient, and possibly a tad irritating, it shouldn't harm him in the slightest, so is completely ethical, and then everyone would know.

Easily tested.

Do alien gods even have human rights?

Of course if he's not a god, if he's just mad, or a con man..........but he's a god, and as a god, he should know, being a billion years old this probably wouldn't be his first trip through a mincing machine.
 
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