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New York Magazine - Intelligencer: Has Long Covid Always Existed, by Jeff Wise, November 2022

Discussion in 'Long Covid news' started by Kalliope, Nov 4, 2022.

  1. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    Well he quotes Sharpe doesn’t he so presumably believes the guy has some expertise


    I assumed the people he’s quoted are ones he’s actually spoken to.
     
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  2. Sly Saint

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    @PutrinoLab thread in full.

     
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  3. TiredSam

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    "frankly unprofessional"? Surely he knows that the correct parlance is "unbecoming"? They only have a few tricks in their bag - never respond to the substance of anything, just label your critics as mean, unprofessional, vitreolic and take it from there.
     
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    Braganca Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Lols oh my god great sleuthing.. :rofl::laugh:
     
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  6. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    He graduated quite a few years ago. I went to Harvard many years ago and things like this change. I wouldn't focus on this.
     
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    Possibly off-topic followup to my earlier post in-thread.

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1590877339839496193
     
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  11. ahimsa

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    Someone collected a good selection of twitter threads that responded to this article into a single twitter thread:

    "A quick thread of THREADS from experts, journalists, and advocacy groups who have spoken out against the inaccurate, biased, and harmful @NYMag /@intelligencer story on ME and Long Covid."

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1590484384536481794


    EDIT: Updated to provide some context in case of future twitter problems.

    Here's a list of the users in that twitter thread - they were all pointing out errors and bias in an article in New York Magazine by Jeff Wise with the title "Has Long COVID Always Existed?"

    1. David Tuller (@davidtuller1)
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1589195957865828352.html
    (this threadreaderapp might also break if twitter has problems, but I'm including it anyway)

    2. David Putrino (@PutrinoLab)

    3. Todd Davenport (@sunsopeningband)

    4. Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep - NY Times columnist)

    5. Meghan O'Rourke (@meghanor)

    6. #MEAction Network (@MEActNet)
    https://www.meaction.net/2022/11/10/elementor-59066/

    7. Solve ME (@PlzSolveCFS)
     
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  12. Andy

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    Trial By Error: More on that New York Magazine Piece Pushing Psychogenic View of ME/CFS and Long Covid

    "So getting back to that long, ill-informed and poorly reported New York Magazine article on the purportedly psychogenic nature of both long Covid and ME/CFS…I responded in a twitter thread to the article’s misrepresentations of my criticisms about the PACE trial.

    The journalist, a science writer named Jeff Wise, didn’t interview me. But he did interview three other critics of the CBT/GET paradigm—Columbia physician-scientist Mady Hornig; Lucinda Bateman, a physician who specializes in ME/CFS and related diseases; and Solve ME/CFS Initiative’s director of advocacy, Emily Taylor. All felt their words and positions were misrepresented and have voiced their objections in a public statement."

    https://www.virology.ws/2022/11/12/...ng-psychogenic-view-of-me-cfs-and-long-covid/
     
  13. Trish

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    Excellent, thanks to @dave30th and the clinicians who have tried to educate Jeff Wise. Is there any chance the magazine that published his article would commission an article to tell the real story to counter Wise's fiction?
     
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  14. Shadrach Loom

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    Editors hate the suggestion that they have miscommissioned, publish corrections and clarifications only when they absolutely have to, and (for topical weeklies) dislike revisiting old ground.

    But editors working in a publishing conglomerate love an opportunity to get one over on their counterparts at stablemates. NY Magazine is part of Vox Media, which has a few relevant titles, the most suitable for a counterblast being The Verge.
     
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  15. Trish

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    David Tuller quotes from an excellent response (posted on the Solve ME website) to the article by Maddy Hornig, Lucinda Bateman and Emily Taylor who were all misrepresented in the article.
    https://solvecfs.org/solve-m-e-community-partners-denounce-misleading-new-york-magazine-article/

    They conclude:
    "We have contacted Wise and NYM and have called for a retraction of the article. We will continue to further educate, advance the science, and advocate for these underserved and misrepresented people in our communities."
     
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