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Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Cheshire, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Cheshire

    Cheshire Moderator Staff Member

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    by Amy Maxmen

    Very long article that speaks about Dr Jose Montoya, Dr Anthony Komaroff, Dr Leonard Jason, the Rituximab trial, Dr Derya Unutmaz, the NIH program, Dr Ron Davis and David Tuller

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08965-0?WT.feed_name=subjects_biotechnology

    Edit: Amy Maxmen's tweeter account, @amymaxmen
     
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  2. BurnA

    BurnA Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wow, that was great article, managed to cover just about everything and no mention of yuppie flu or harassment.

    Perhaps we are making progress.
     
  3. Andy

    Andy Committee Member & Outreach

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    Didn't avoid yuppie flu.
     
  4. Dancer

    Dancer Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    But at least she derided the term "yuppie flu" by using the word "snidely."
     
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    Webdog Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I disagree with the story that the psych explanation for symptoms started in the mid 1980s. From personal experience, I can say this narrative was already well established in 1979.
     
  6. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Exactly. Mentioning it is not the issue, it's the context in which it is mentioned. Given that virtually everyone already knows the phrase, and most have preconceived prejudice of what they think it means, it's much better it does get mentioned, if it clearly educates how wrong that prejudice is. If people are afraid to mention 'yuppie flu' even to make it clear what a stupid, unkind, inaccurate, media-stereotyped slur it is, then people will never recalibrate their reaction when they hear it.
     
  7. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A few technical slips but the general feel of it seems to me very fair, measured but also sharp. To have piece like this effectively say nobody really believes PACE any more is quite a change.
     
  8. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It is interesting to read this having just looked at the SMC promotion video. Presumably somebody writing for Nature is doing the same thing of going out and getting the hot story just like SMC, but actually doing it properly. Where is the balanced punchy article written by journalists who have had a briefing from SMC? What happened to this particular hot story?
     
  9. Samuel

    Samuel Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    cannot read but good to see nature seemingly sucking less this time.

    now, to the nature editor:

    withdraw the maddox prize

    1] accurately reporting why
    2] every bit as publically as you bestowed it
    3] in all of the same venues to which you released it and it got subsequently picked up from
    4] NOW

    p.s. this reporting is not good: "bolstered the field last year by more than doubling spending for research into the condition".

    twice nothing is nothing. if you fail to point that out then readers think well that's ok then.
     
  10. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I have sort of already done that this week but it may need doing again!
     
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  11. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Agreed. In fairness to Amy Maxmen I think she is likely trying to get across the point that the tide is turning, even though it may have only just begun to turn.
     
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    Londinium Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think that's a tad unfair. Had the author just said 'doubled funding', that would be a valid criticism - but here the dollar amounts are given, plus the prevalance estimates of the disease.

     
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    Londinium Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I wasn't aware of the study looking into prevalance in Nigeria. Bookmarking that for the next time I hear some oh-so-clever below the line commentator argue 'isn't it funny how CFS only affects middle class women in rich countries?' or some variant thereof.
     
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    Lol, is there no opportunity that Erik Johnson won't take to talk about himself and his pet theory (whatever that is, everything being mold I assume)?
     
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    Can we keep him? Please?
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Hard for an article which tries to cover so much to be able to get everything right, but this definitely feels like another step in the right direction. Good to see them linking to Tuller's blogs too, so that people interested in the details will be able to find them easily enough.
     
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    Actually, it was about 9 months after the IOM released its report on 2/15/15 that Francis Collins announced on The Charlie Rose Show on 11/04/15 that the NIH would be looking into ME/CFS.

    Something else happened in that time frame, though. About two weeks after the IOM report was published, The Center for Infection and Immunity at Columbia's Mailman School of Public Health came out with the paper titled Distinct plasma immune signatures in ME/CFS are present early in the course of illness. The paper was overseen by Ian Lipkin.

    A second paper, again from lead author Mady Hornig, on cytokines in the spinal fluid of ME/CFS patients was published a month later, on 3/31/15.

    Two positive papers coming from Lipkin's group in the wake of the IOM report probably helped a lot of people at the NIH, quite possibly including Francis Collins, to take another look at ME/CFS.

    I've also always wondered if the XMRV paper didn't ultimately shake things up in our favor, too. It should have been a wake-up call to the NIH and the CDC that some outside group might just come along and "eat their lunch" by making a major discovery about ME/CFS, leaving them to answer questions like, "Well, what have you been doing for the past 30 years?" "Uh, calling people in Wichita?"

    Starting their own internal research into the biological anomalies of ME/CFS might be considered a cheap insurance policy against such a future embarrassment.
     
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  18. Sunshine3

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    Good article but timelines at the end are not pleasant to read....more funding needed and a bigger sense of urgency. I am sick for nearly 2 years but that makes me feel like, it's not a huge deal in this community as some are sick for decades with no help so it feels a bit bratty to moan at the two year mark. There is something wrong there. The whole situation for ME patients is outrageous.
     
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  19. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @Sunshine3

    2 years can be a long time, if you're eagerly waiting for something, if you're not, it's just things not happening. Which isn't great, but it's a lot better, and passes a lot faster, than being in a constant state of anticipation.

    ETA - It's best, IMO, just to take things as they come, each hour, day, week, month, year or even decade, as it comes, take what good you can from it and forget the rest. Although at times it feels like there is no time, despite there being nothing but, there isn't enough to waste on bitterness.

    (Which isn't to say that a certain amount of griping/moaning and general grumpiness isn't perfectly healthy, everyone needs a release valve :hug:)
     
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  20. Invisible Woman

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    I might just print that post and stick it on my wall.....
     
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