Issues with vision - including floaters, visual snow syndrome, after images, blurry vision

I think floaters are pretty common and like shortsightedness increase with age.
Yes, vision does get worse with age, although I think short-sightedness is pretty stable during adulthood. I had had a stable vision measurement for years before ME/CFS and it didn't change after either. The 'blurriness' somehow didn't show itself with a standard eye chart where you have one thing to focus on and time to work things out. I don't know if the difficulty seeing detail when driving has something to do with the overwhelming cognitive demand? It also seems to fluctuate in severity.

That's the problem. These things sound like things that everyone gets, and certainly something that everyone who is getting older gets, and they are hard for individual people without expertise in vision science to really pin down. But, they do affect quality of life, and more importantly, they might be clues. It shouldn't be impossible for people who know about vision and have some equipment to hand to plan studies that can tell us if these vision issues have something to do with ME/CFS.
 
I’m on a hobbies forum for outdoors, hunting, camping, etc that has thousands of active members. This topic came up and apparently lots of healthy active people have floaters and visual snow like myself and others here. I too feel like floaters and snow symptoms showed up around CFS onset. Tinnitus is also another common finding in the shooting for sport section, especially amongst military vets.
 
My vision became rather moribund within 48 hours of the acute infectious illness that rendered me an ME casualty. Since then, I’ve had a corneal confocal microscopy confirm severe damage to the small nerve fibers in the cornea. According to the ophthalmologist, this provided unequivocal evidence of the source of my persistent eye pain, which worsened the more I engaged in tasks requiring extensive visual focus.

I’ve received a variety of treatments that aid in ameliorating the corneal pain, and it indeed has subsided a great deal. I still grapple with the blurry vision and blizzard like visual snow, but that’s more manageable. The nerve pain in my face is another story. I dread it mightily, and yearn for some reprieve.
 
Problems with vision, and, more specifically, with the brain processing visual signals, seem to be common with ME/CFS, though I have the impression they tend to receive less attention than many of our other symptoms. A quick search through a handful of forums produces a number of threads in which unusual symptoms are shared, a few users will immediately pipe up with “I thought I was the only one” and then the thread dies because, well, that’s what always happens – it’s a bizarre, debilitating symptom that no one recognizes, no one can quantify, most struggle to even describe it, and there’s whatever to be done about it.

Common elements, all of which I recognize in myself, seem to include:

difficulty with high-contrast environments​

problems with depth perception, sometimes including visual-flattening, in which the brain has difficulty mapping three-dimensional space (I also have an issue where my brain struggles to process illusory three-dimensional space, as when looking at a two-dimensional image)​
Problems processing reflections and glare​
a sense that the eyes are not focusing properly, even when a “sharp” image is actually being produced by the eyes​
being told by the ophthalmologist (and neurologist) that they can’t find anything wrong – lots of people with ME actually seem to have excellent vision according to various tests​

I struggle with all of these, and more. As time goes on, I find that I also struggle enormously with creating mental images. Over the last year or so, I have become aware of developing partial aphantasia. The degree varies depending on the day, though the overall trend, as with everything else, is toward the severe. On a good day, I can still create some mental images, but concentrating on them feels physically exhausting and can generate PEM.

My question is whether there are any other known conditions that consistently produce similar symptoms when it comes to visual processing and mental imagery – I know and have known quite a few people whose cognition has been severely altered and impaired as a result of Parkinson’s, Lupus, CTE, stroke, Alzheimer’s, etc., and none have described experiencing anything quite like what I do, though one person I know with Lupus has some similarities (they attribute them to migraine). This is obviously a limited sampling, so perhaps I am just ignorant.

My apologies if this has been asked and discussed before.

TLDR: Some people with ME/CFS have significant difficulties with visual processing, often in ways that seem nearly unique. Are there other conditions that manifest similar symptoms?
 
You've probably come across my threads here. I have quite severe visual processing problems. I have a bad case of 'visual snow syndrome' which is much more than seeing static. The most disabling symptom for me is afterimages (palinopsia). It's another condition that is not well understood and is poorly named: https://www.visualsnowinitiative.org/

RE mental images. The only issue I've had with this is when I would have these horrendous 'neurocrashes' as I now call them. This was back in 2018 when I was trying to stay in work and making myself much worse. I would go to bed and it was like my brain had been hijacked. I would get images thrown up in my conscious but I couldn't control it. It really was like a seizure looking back, but I was completely still, no adrenaline, no raised hrart rate. These episodes only ever happened at night before sleep. I have also written about this here on the forum.

These issues all appeared when my ME was getting worse. I have no doubt that it's all connected.
 
You've probably come across my threads here. I have quite severe visual processing problems. I have a bad case of 'visual snow syndrome' which is much more than seeing static. The most disabling symptom for me is afterimages (palinopsia). It's another condition that is not well understood and is poorly named: https://www.visualsnowinitiative.org/
Yes! I completely forgot to include afterimages. I've had some degree of VSS for as long as I can remember (that is, since at least early childhood, decades before my earliest recalled ME symptoms), but the after images really ramped up around the time of my deterioration. It's been a bit since I have read much about it, but I see now (I may have known this and forgotten) that some sufferers also connect VSS with tinnitus, which is interesting to note.

RE mental images. The only issue I've had with this is when I would have these horrendous 'neurocrashes' as I now call them. This was back in 2018 when I was trying to stay in work and making myself much worse. I would go to bed and it was like my brain had been hijacked. I would get images thrown up in my conscious but I couldn't control it. It really was like a seizure looking back, but I was completely still, no adrenaline, no raised hrart rate. These episodes only ever happened at night before sleep. I have also written about this here on the forum.

These issues all appeared when my ME was getting worse. I have no doubt that it's all connected.
I don't think recall reading about this side of your experience, but I am grateful to you for sharing it again. This too, sounds familiar - I had something similar around this time last year. It was accompanied by "silent" migraines throughout the day and then at night my brain would enter a sort of manic hypnagogic state. In retrospect, I have occasionally wondered if it wasn't the death throes of my visual cortex, or at least some portion of it.
 
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I have substantial visual disturbances that started a few months after becoming severe.

My eyes are fine according to the eye doc, but I have flashing lights, lots of floaters, a strobe like effect, after shadows (sometimes with inverted colours), Scheerer’s phenomenon and more.

I also have auditory hallucinations and about 10 types of tinnitus.
 
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have substantial visual disturbances that started a few months after becoming severe.

My eyes are fine according to the eye doc, but I have flashing lights, lots of floaters, a strobe like effect, after shadows (sometimes with inverted colours), Scheerer’s phenomenon and more.
I have all of these! They started as soon as I became severe.

If I stare at my phone too long I also get the afterimage of horizontal dark but translucent 'bars' across my vision where the phone was.

This all started exactly on my severe onset.
 
I also have permanently distorted vision since i became severe, and prior to that it was only in PEM and less severe. it’s very disabling. I feel like my vision is as if I were intoxicated/ stoned. I cannot see the world clearly, it’s hard to focus on things, there’s movement always. There’s less depth of field, a flattening. It’s overwhelming especially to be outside. I feel like I’m in a dream, or underwater always. I’ve had eyes tested extensively and the neuro-ophthalmologist said that my eyes are perfect but my brain is not interpreting the visual information properly. Also have tinnitus and sound sensitivity.
 
I have substantial visual disturbances that started a few months after becoming severe.

My eyes are fine according to the eye doc, but I have flashing lights, lots of floaters, a strobe like effect, after shadows (sometimes with inverted colours), Scheerer’s phenomenon and more.

I also have auditory hallucinations and about 10 types of tinnitus.
Not currently severe, but I have all of these - they actually started in what seems likely to have been prodrome, years before my first experience of PEM.

The after images are a major issue at times, as is a general inability to deal with extreme light/dark contrast - sometimes my brain seems to flatten my field of vision, at others, it will interpret shadows as solid objects, etc. This seems to be somewhat separate from another issue that I have with processing visual information, in which my brain seems to experience difficulty in processing busy, complex images (or environments) as a whole and either starts to shut down or will focus only one small area of the visual field or one object within it.
 
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If I stare at my phone too long I also get the afterimage of horizontal dark but translucent 'bars' across my vision where the phone was.

This all started exactly on my severe onset.
I have not seen this described before, but I also experience exactly this frequently - I am certainly more conscious of it the worse off I am, though I think simply being extremely tired is enough to make it more pronounced, even on days when I am otherwise "normal."
 
It's weird isn't it! Glad I'm not the only one.
I experience the same thing when I stare at my window with the shutters half-closed. The same thing happens when I'm on the phone. I retain the image for about 20 seconds after looking away. When I straighten up, my vision blurs for a few seconds. The worse I feel, the more sensitive I become to noise and light. The LDA helps a lot with this.
 
Experience it too, though not often. Only if my phone is particularly bright.
My assumption has been that it reflects the refresh rate of the screen, though the brightness (and contrast with a dark room) may also figure into it. In my experience, most other screens (e.g. a laptop) may produce after images, but not the same sort of regular lines across my vision.
 
My assumption has been that it reflects the refresh rate of the screen, though the brightness (and contrast with a dark room) may also figure into it. In my experience, most other screens (e.g. a laptop) may produce after images, but not the same sort of regular lines across my vision.
I get them from e-ink displays without backlight in a fairly dark room.
 
I get them from e-ink displays without backlight in a fairly dark room.
Interesting - perhaps what we are experiencing is more about focusing on regular lines of text? If this is the case, I suppose it would simply be a particular variety of after image. I don't think I experience the same thing from reading physical books... though I can't swear to this, mind you, and would have to give it some thought.
 
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