Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? BBC article

James Gallagher

Health and science correspondent

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There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.

Which is better?

Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.

Now, we're no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.

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I wonder if this idea of actively catching Covid to boost preexisting immunity is potentially a dangerous one for the following reasons:

1. Although vaccination reduces both your risk of developing a symptomatic form of Covid or a severe form requiring hospitalisation, it does not eliminate entirely your risk of doing so, and we are seeing some vaccinated dying from Covid, so for some this approach to boosting they level of immunity will be dicing with death
2. We do not yet know the risks of catching Long Covid. The form of Long Covid that resembles ME could theoretically result from a combination of genetic risk factors and an active infection, so this form of Long Covid may not be linked to the severity of the infection and prior vaccination or prior exposure to the virus may not impact on the risks of developing it.
3. We do not fully understand the transition of a virus from a dangerous epidemic to a manageable endemic issue, or the transition back from a ubiquitous endemic virus to an epidemic/pandemic, how much this relates to virus mutation and how much to changes in host immunity, so would this be playing with fire?
4. Currently this idea of high levels of immunity in populations, largely due to vaccination programmes applies only to the developed world who can afford extensive vaccination programmes, where would this approach leave still largely unvaccinated populations
5. This approach would require high levels of the virus in the population and the more the virus replicates the more risk there is of hard to manage mutations/variants.

 

I kind of stopped reading at "Is catching covid now better than-"

 

Dear god what an idiotic and irresponsible article.

" "That means if you had a real humdinger of an infection, you may have better immunity to any new variants that pop up as you have immunity to more than just spike," said Prof Riley."

Or you might die, Riley, but hey, I guess some people get their kicks from playing Russian Roulette?

 

So the pack people into crowded airport terminals and mix vigorously with the infected plan isn't working fast enough to ensure total herd immunity and a return to national profitability?

Even when combined with all the other spread covid measures that have been implemented?

This is disappointing, possibly we should shove the population a few thousand at a time into poorly ventilated warehouses, give them drugs and alcohol, and make them jump up and down and rub against each other for 8 hours.

What? That's already being done?

What else could we do do reduce the numbers of the unprofitable vulnerable

 

This is all very well but we don't know how long immunity lasts.

So if the effects of the first two jabs have waned sufficiently then then the elderly and vulnerable could be dicing with death all over again.

Given the cost to produce, deliver and inject all those people the first time around it would be a waste of an awful lot of resource to let them risk becoming very ill now.

 

How long immunity lasts is less relevant than how long it takes covid to mutate enough to escape that immunity, just an impartial and uninvolved observer.

But then I'm not an immunologist, or that type of virus.

 

I felt the same way a while back, but now I'm going for the third dose if offered b/c they will expire and go to waste here in Canada.

 

In a news report just this past week, the CDC are saying that immunity starts to wane after 3 months. The Moderna efficacy is much higher than Pfizer and AZ.

 

just talking to someone who lives down my road whose daughter (aged 20) recently had covid-19.
She was told by the NHS that she was now immune for 180 days.

This to my mind is incredibly irresponsible.
A few quick searches and I think the 180 comes from the new 'covid passport' or whatever they are calling it. The quick skim I did of research and found some that were saying something along the lines that antibodies were still detected up to 180 days in post-covid patients. But as far as I can make out this is far from a fixed certainty.

Add to that she recently managed to see her GP as she has lingering symptoms and was told to 'take it easy for a couple of weeks'......

 

It nearly got my neighbour who has just come back from hospital. This whole strategy is dicing with death.

I tend to agree with this. IMHO we are in a situation where SARS-CoV-2 has become a circulating virus in the UK where most of the at risk people have been vaccinated. Once vaccinated it is rarely fatal but it is still killing people who are not, as was reported in a Ch4 News article today.

The UK is allowing the virus to circulate subsequent to a vaccination program and consequently is spreading the virus within its borders and internationally as a defacto typhoid Mary but is not the only one, there are many major contributors to the international spread of the virus by the sound of it. Its impossible to avoid and it seems inevitable we will have to live with it. So the harmlessly circulating virus scenario, caught in youth every generation, appears to be the realistic endpoint for the world, only many older people will die getting there unless the rest of the world is also vaccinated.

I think the UK's moral duty is to assist with vaccinating the rest of the world and not only is it the considerate and humanly kind thing to do, it is also a logical investment if we wish to open up the global economy and want to travel to other countries, when we are adopting this policy of circulation induced immunity.

Lamentably, its too late to do anything else.

I think twiddling thumbs and hoarding vaccine is not acceptable. We have to be proactively supporting vaccinations for people in other places who want it and treating it like emergency assistance on a grand scale until everyone who wants a vax worldwide, has had one.

 

The immunity may be better, but the overall risk profile is worse...