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Open Interpersonal relationships, stress and symptoms in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME)

Discussion in 'Recruitment into current ME/CFS research studies' started by Dolphin, Oct 14, 2022.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    (Not a recommendation)
    Participant Information Sheet in attachment

    Do you have a diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue.PNG
     

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  2. Lou B Lou

    Lou B Lou Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Sounds like a study trying to find 'stress makes ME worse'. A study best to avoid in my view.

    Relationships? What relationships?
     
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    BrightCandle Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I will never touch a psychology study done by the NHS, not ever. They can not and should not be trusted.
     
  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Straightforward busy-bodying voyeurism in my view.
    It won't provide insight for anyone.
     
  5. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    why is this referring to CFS/ME and CFS throughout? Seems a good sign that they are not up on current thinking.
     
  6. RedFox

    RedFox Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Probably BPS because they use CFS/ME. Nothing useful is likely to come out of this.
    I wish we could get some decent psychosocial research but this won't be it.
     
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    Interpersonal relationships, stress and symptoms in CFS/ME - Health Research Authority (hra.nhs.uk)

    "Interpersonal relationships, stress and symptoms in CFS/ME

    Research summary

    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis; CFS/ME) is a contested disorder that produces a range of symptoms, such as persistent, severe fatigue (Baker & Shaw, 2007). People with CFS (PwCFS) face stressful events daily, e.g., attending doctors’ appointments and negative interactions with family/healthcare professionals. These challenges can put stress on a romantic relationship. Research has shown the way partners interact can influence illness outcomes for PwCFS (Band et al., 2015). PwCFS may feel they are disbelieved, or the legitimacy of their illness is being questioned (Dickson et al., 2007). This is likely to be stressful for PwCFS. This research suggests significant others play an important role in the experience of CFS for PwCFS.

    Due to the likeliness of stress being a regular experience for PwCFS, it is important to explore what aspects of a romantic relationship provoke a stress response/ make the PwCFS feel stressed. The research question is ‘How does interpersonal communication in couples influence stress reactivity and symptoms in people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME)?’. The study will use a marital interaction discussion paradigm to explore whether certain communication behaviours are related to stress reactivity (biological and psychological) and symptoms in PwCFS. Participants (dyads made up of PwCFS and their partner) will take part in a marital interaction task on Zoom, and be recruited through NHS sites. This study is longitudinal with a 3 month follow up of CFS symptoms.

    This question is of importance, as through exploring the interactions between communication behaviours, stress reactivity, and symptoms, we will gain insight to better support PwCFS and partners with managing CFS. Individualised support can also be given to partners of PwCFS. This study can help PwCFS and their partners to understand the impact their relationship has on symptoms, and has implications for health professionals and family therapists.

    References
    Baker, R., & Shaw, E. J. (2007). Guidelines: Diagnosis and management of chronic fatigue syndrome or myalgic encephalomyelitis (or encephalopathy): Summary of NICE guidance. In British Medical Journal. https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.39302.509005.AE
    Band, R., Wearden, A., & Barrowclough, C. (2015). Patient outcomes in association with significant other responses to chronic fatigue syndrome: A systematic review of the literature. Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice. https://doi.org/10.1111/cpsp.12093
    Dickson, A., Knussen, C., & Flowers, P. (2007). Stigma and the delegitimation experience: An interpretative phenomenological analysis of people living with chronic fatigue syndrome. Psychology and Health, 22(7), 851-867."

    This joker is using the 2007 NICE Guideline !!!!
     
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  9. Sid

    Sid Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Simple heuristic but works almost 100% of the time: if they call it CFS/ME you know it’s quackery.
     
  10. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Add any format of "psychosocial" (e.g. biosocial, sociobio, psychosocio, mumbojumbo), "mind-body" and "holistic" and you can basically exclude 99% of all the pseudoscience while not missing anything of value. It works very well and will probably hold true for the next half-century.

    Edit: forgot "mind-body", how could I forget?
     
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    "...influence illness outcomes...

    Comments like this seem to imply that ME ahem...."cfs" is short-lived. Not so, from experts' studies, and many with lived experience.

    Reducing stress, yeah that's good. But, it won't cure ME. Or, "cfs".
     
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    https://twitter.com/user/status/1581045453197824000


    There have been one or two times where I have been worried because they have got angry at the patients...that anger has been communicated to the patients. Their frustration has reached the point where they sort of boiled over... there is sort of feeling that the patient should be grateful and follow your advice, and in actual fact, what happens is the patient is quite resistant and there is this thing like you know, "The bastards don't want to get better"...I think it's a difficult thing for all therapists and I think basically over the time you just basically learn to cope with it, and but they have not had time.' (Supervisor)”
     
  13. Dolphin

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    I have a recollection that this, and the correspondence, was bad:
    Doctors and social epidemics: the problem of persistent unexplained physical symptoms, including chronic fatigue.
    Ian Stanley, Peter Salmon, and Sarah Peters
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1314288/
    &
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1314419/pdf/12236282.pdf

    e.g.
     
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    This is all so poisonous. Evidence the BPS paradigm caused abuse then. As well as harm instead of 'help'. Basically these therapists were asked to programme a certain 'attitude' into nurses - and this is it? Institutionalised wedge-driving, in case the 'exercise avoidance' and 'false belief' accusations in the guidelines didn't do the trick already.

    And yes the cortisol stuff is the dodgiest methodology around I've seen. Are they counting on pretending it isn't the hormone that keeps each and every person on this earth alive, and rises with exertion - so will with over-exertion in a condition whose cardinal feature is in response to over-exertion and then pretending it is psychological only? Because I see nothing about how they account for this, just some strange assumption they are measuring stress a few times a day and taking a questionnaire or interview.


    What does need to be done is how many daily harms and abuses are done in domestic situations as a direct consequence of the misinformation directed by the BPS paradigm. How many times is someone pushed into harmful PEM due to a spouse having been told it won't hurt them. How many arguments are caused by the spouse being told the reverse of why their partner is getting more ill (and from above the researcher themselves proved this is also the messaging it creates)?

    How many mistreatments happen because, as above, the spouse has been told to blame the person made ill by such bad advice? Or to treat them as an 'unreliable witness' or 'resistant'? And how exacerbated were these by 'professionals' encouraging that was the right thing to do, and having that level of disdain and siding with such labels and horrible ideas?

    Why cortisol now all of a sudden instead of basic common sense - if you aren't going to measure actual exertion? We all know what isn't good for people or is cruel or unkind. The above shows exactly what the BPS messaging caused in nurses. Is this going to be another 'research' set up to deliberately muddle 'cause' and 'consequences' ? Just when they need to be taking responsibility for their last few decades?
     
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    I just had a look at their reply to correspondence.

    I'm not sure Fitzpatrick has the best understanding of why there is controversy here - but then, I think that we should be examining the moral grounds of approaches to ME/CFS so these authors might be unhappy with me about that.

     
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