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International: IACFS/ME - International Association for CFS/ME, IACFSME

Discussion in 'News from organisations' started by Andy, Sep 27, 2019.

  1. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    It would also be worth you and the organisations' leaders and journal editors reading this blog post by Professor of Psychology, Brian Hughes:
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/explo...by-phil-parker-et-al.16323/page-2#post-283331

    It is also worth noting that the Norwegian ethics authority has refused ethics approval to a LP study.
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/light...by-ethics-committee.14876/page-27#post-348449
     
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  2. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

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    I would hope that everyone on the IACFS/ME board and the 'Fatigue' Editorial Board would be appalled at the publication of the LP paper, and be checking the Editorial Policy and criteria for the selection of peer reviewers, and putting the issue on the agenda of their next meetings. Surely it's a clear enough problem that it does not take people outside the organisation to prompt action? We all have better things to do than trying to sort out why this happened and what needs to be done to stop it happening again.

    Personally, I'd be wondering if the IACFS/ME actually needs its own journal in 2021 and beyond. It's not a high profile journal, and increasingly ME/CFS and ME/CFS-like Long Covid research is finding a place in more prestigious journals. The rationale given for an IACFS/ME journal titled 'Fatigue', i.e.
    doesn't really hold water. In this era of the internet, ME/CFS researchers can easily learn from other fields without have to read 'Fatigue', and people in other fields are not particularly likely to read the Fatigue journal. To me, supporting good ME/CFS researchers to publish in a range of high quality journals is far more likely to move the understanding of ME/CFS forward.

    @hope123,
    Could you let us know where and under what name the organisation is registered now please?
     
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  3. FMMM1

    FMMM1 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Realistic but maybe 2-300!
     
  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    But signatures could be collected over several good days. I would place a bet that you could get 500 signatures with a bit of effort.
     
  5. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'm not sure what the best approach is here.
     
  6. hope123

    hope123 Established Member

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    To expand access to the 2021 IACFS/ME Conference for patients/ caregivers/ the public, there is now a special registration category for people who want to attend ONLY the patient/ public lecture series on August 19. For registration BEFORE 8/ 12, the price for IACFS/ME members is $50 and for non-members, $65.

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    2021 IACFS/ME Virtual Scientific Conference

    August 19 - 21, 2021, 10:00 AM - 3:30 PM EDT

    NEW Registration Option! Patients, caregivers, and the public can now choose to register for ONLY the Patient/ Public Talks August 19 at a discounted price.

    To view the full conference schedule and registration fees,

    please visit the main conference webpage.

    Click to Register Now!

    The conference will focus on the biomedical, public health, and behavioral aspects of ME/CFS and associated comorbidities. A portion of the meeting will also be devoted to COVID-19 and its relevance to ME/CFS research and clinical care. Attendees at IACFS/ME conferences are primarily biomedical and behavioral professionals, including clinicians, researchers, and educators.

    Attendees registering as Patients/ Caregivers/ Public now have 2 options:

    a. Choose the Patient/ Caregiver/ Public 3-DAY option. Attend the Patient/ Public Talks on August 19 and the same oral research presentations/ virtual poster sessions as Professionals on August 20 and 21.

    b. Choose the Patient/ Caregiver/ Public 1-DAY option. Attend ONLY the August 19 Patient/ Public talks.

    All Attendees will receive a Conference program and a month's access to recorded videos corresponding to the talks and presentations they register for. Additional discounts are available for IACFS/ME Associate Members and early registration by August 12, 2021.

    Please register as a Professional attendee if you wish to obtain CME credits.

    Our exciting, informative program includes:

    • Research presentations
    • Clinical workshops
    • Virtual poster sessions
    • Patient/ Public lecture series
    • Solve ME Advocacy Updates - August 20, 3:35 PM - 4:35 PM
    • Kantor & Kantor long-term disability talk - August 19, 1:00 PM - 2:00 PM

    Submit Your Work to Our Peer-Reviewed Journal, Fatigue: Biomedicine, Health, and Behavior

    View Resources for Clinicians and Researchers
     
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  7. cfsandmore

    cfsandmore Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  8. Three Chord Monty

    Three Chord Monty Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I have mixed feelings about this but I always wonder when I see that conferences like Invest In ME have BPS types attending/presenting, is there any possibility that they may see evidence they might otherwise not, which might move them to reevaluate. I think the chances are about zero (might not have thought that in the past), but I try to remind myself of that slim possibility instead of getting pissed off when I see them do that.

    So I thought about applying that sort of thought process to that LP paper. Not the same thing. And Fred Friedberg is not someone I have any interest in offering the benefit of the doubt.

    Took a look at the conference website. One of the presenters is from Radboud, Ruud Raijmakers, who wrote this ("CFS is a disorder of perception," etc.) with Jos Van Der Meer.



    According to the website, he's presenting on this preprint:

    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-348289/v1

    I'm fairly sure that's far worse than anything anyone who went to IiME's conference ever wrote. If I viewed IACFSME under FF's guidance favorably or even neutrally, I might feel differently, but way before the LP paper was published I was never going to be interested in contributing in any way towards their org.
     
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  9. Hutan

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    Emerge in Australia invited Raijmakers to present at a conference on some research about Q fever fatigue syndrome (it's discussed on the forum somewhere). I remember some of the conference organisers being appalled at him spinning the results as suggesting that CBT had been in any way helpful to the QFS sufferers.

    Including BPS speakers does have consequences. A couple of us in the regional patient support group I was involved with pulled in favours to select and send a sympathetic GP to Australia for the Emerge conference. When the GP returned, she gave presentations on what she had learned, which unfortunately included the idea that CBT is helpful in ME/CFS, possibly because the power of the mind reduces inflammation. We had inadvertently given this well-meaning physician incorrect information which she then disseminated with authority.

    I tried to discuss the information that Raijmakers presented wth the GP, pointing out that at long term followup, those with the CBT treatment were no better off, and that all that had been achieved was the appearance of a temporary improvement resulting from changes in approaches to survey answering. But, I doubt I changed her mind.

    Even just allowing BPS proponents to attend a conference can contaminate attendees who don't yet understand the problems with BPS theories. With that Emerge conference, I remember seeing an exercise physiologist who runs a clinic in Melbourne that 'fixes people with CFS and fibromyalgia with exercise and better thinking' sitting in the front row with a number of his employees. He was involved in the PACE study. The thought of him and his acolytes chatting to people in the tea-breaks makes me shudder.

    Of course, it's hard for conference organisers to control who comes along to their conferences. But, I wonder, would the IACFSME conference organisers stop Phil Parker from attending?
     
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  10. Hutan

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    Dr Vallings, the medical advisor of the NZ ME/CFS patient charity, has been very much involved in IACFSME. She has stepped back from the board, but, until Covid, scarce NZ charity funds were used to send her to the IACFSME conferences. The IACFSME continues to have her prepare very shallow reports of the IACFSME conferences.

    She does not condemn the Lightning Process:
    She has stated publicly that there is an 'ME/CFS personality':
    I had basically written off the IACFSME as any sort of useful organisation. The 2014 primer is an unhelpful muddle of unevidenced beliefs. I assumed (hoped) that they were sinking into obscurity. I have been rather surprised to realise lately that Friedberg is successfully securing funds for research and that so many younger people are involved in the organisation. The publishing of the Crawley Parker LP endorsement means that the organisation is actively causing harm.

    If the IACFSME is to be a positive force in ME/CFS advocacy and education, a younger generation of people need to exert some influence, and leave the patronising approach and disregard for science behind.
     
  11. Hutan

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    It's disappointing that IACFSME made no public statement about, or relevant to, the publishing of the Crawley paper. There has been no suggestion of an apology or improved processes. No one from the organisation came here to engage with our concerns, or to explain why the Crawley paper actually was science, rather than Lightning Process propaganda.
     
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  12. Amw66

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    The paper is a misdirection. We did discuss it somewhere on the forum. There is neuroinflammation to be found but mainly in males.
    Looking for it in females enables a certain narrative to be maintained.
     
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    A ME/CFS research organisation that decided to call their journal 'Fatigue' sets off warning bells in my head.
     
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    Posts discussing oxaloacetate as a treatment have been moved to
    Oxaloacetate
     
  16. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

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    Posts about an article by Miriam Tucker about autoimmunity (based on findings presented at the IACFSME conference) have been moved here:
    IACFSME 2021 Virtual Conference
     
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  18. Hutan

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    @hope123, is there any update on this?
     
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    These are the people on the editorial board of the IACFSME's journal 'Fatigue: Biomedicine, Health and Behavior'.

    Founder and Editor
    Fred Friedberg, Ph.D., Stony Brook University Medical Center, USA

    Associate Editor

    Yasuyoshi Watanabe , M.D., Ph.D., Osaka City University, Japan

    Editorial Board
    Michael Antoni, Ph.D., University of Miami, USA
    Gijs Bleijenberg, Ph.D. Radboud University, Netherlands
    Simeon Cairns, Ph.D., Auckland University of Technology, New Zealand
    Joanna Elson PhD, Newcastle University, United Kingdom
    Keith Geraghty, MPH, PhD, University of Manchester, UK
    Leonard Jason, Ph.D., DePaul University, USA
    Marilynne Kirshbaum, Ph.D., M.Sc., RN Charles Darwin University, Australia
    Nancy Klimas, M.D. Nova Southeastern University, USA
    Charles Lapp, M.D., Hunter Hopkins Center, USA
    Oliver Minton, Ph.D., St George’s University of London, UK
    Sonya Marshall-Gradisnik, Ph. D., Griffith University, Australia
    Julia Newton, M.D., Ph.D. Newcastle University, UK
    Thomas Raslear, Ph.D. Federal Railroad Administration, USA
    Leorey Saligan, PhD, RN, CRNP, National Institutes of Health, USA
    Boudewijn Van Houdenhove, M.D., Ph.D., University of Leuven, Belgium
    Ann Williamson, Ph.D. University of New South Wales, Australia

    Surely there is someone on that list who has concerns about the journal and is willing to do something about it? If not, then what steps is the Board of the IACFSME itself taking to improve editorial decision-making and processes?
     

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