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Finland: 2023 Helsinki University Long Covid conference

Discussion in 'Long Covid news' started by Adam pwme, Feb 11, 2023.

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  1. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

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    There is mention of him having to respond to leading questions though:
    So, I'm sure the event reinforced the closed mindedness of BPS advocates to Nath. Perhaps it will be the most important outcome of this conference, which otherwise was just BPS proponents preaching to each other.
     
    Hutan, Mar 25, 2023
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  2. Sean

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    One possible good out of this conference is that it might indicate how the BPS club is becoming more insular and isolated from mainstream medicine, and irrelevant.

    Having them corralled off to the side like that would help make them readily identifiable to the rest of the world so it can keep a more effective eye on them and what they are trying to do.
     
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    Sean, Mar 25, 2023
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  3. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The mistake here is thinking that the BPS model is separate from mainstream medicine. It isn't. It is the model of mainstream medicine. It has two modes: scientific and biopsychosocial.

    One mode works and is applied a lot where people care about outcomes. The other is the default alternative. But it's not separate. Everything coming out of medicine tells me that most think it's the future of medicine, and it would be even worse today if it wasn't for constant opposition from patients.

    It's a harsh truth but it's important to not forget it. THIS is modern medicine. This is why it's so hard to beat this zombie ideology, we are literally fighting the model on which modern healthcare is built. Even if it's the part that doesn't work, it's the only game in town for now, and is more dominant than at any point in history.

    It's not like talking in secret, and in codes, and having secret conferences is anything new. It is the only way this has ever happened. In darkness, and with loads of BS to fertilize it.
     
    rvallee, Mar 26, 2023
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  4. Wyva

    Wyva Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This was posted today on the FB page of the Finnish ME/CFS association:

    Facebook translation:

     
    Wyva, Mar 29, 2023
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  5. belbyr

    belbyr Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    This isn’t the first time I’ve heard Nath mention macrophages. It sounds like he took a stand for us too!
     
    belbyr, Mar 29, 2023
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  6. NelliePledge

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    Good. Perhaps the conference organisers have actually done the ME community in Finland a favour by showing journalists and politicians what the community faces.
     
    NelliePledge, Mar 29, 2023
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