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Editorial: Functional Neurological (Conversion) Disorder: A Core Neuropsychiatric Disorder, 2020,

Discussion in 'Other psychosomatic news and research' started by Andy, Jan 23, 2020.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    While this has previously been discussed here, I think it's a good idea to have this as a thread of it's own, given it makes clear the FND=conversion disorder thinking.
    Open access, https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.19090204
     
  2. James Morris-Lent

    James Morris-Lent Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Undiluted drivel.

    Caution: avoid contact with eyes.
     
  3. Amw66

    Amw66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    How do they "know" what precipitates and perpetuates these conditions? Should they not say something such as "thought to be precipitated and/or perpetuated by"? Admittedly that would give rise to the question "by whom is this thought?".

    EDIT if this proviso is not accepted then the discussion is merely an analytical one regarding the definition of FND and conversion disorder. It would have nothing to with anything of importance.
     
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  5. Invisible Woman

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    What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:
     
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    Pathetic.
     
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    Evaluation of LiNES: A New Measure of Trauma, Negative Affect, and Relationship Insecurity Over the Life Span in Persons With FND

    A brief new measure of trauma, relationship security, and affect across the lifespan: Development and initial validation of the Lifespan Negative Experiences Scale (LiNES)
    To anyone paying attention, this is literally the same thing as the "refrigerator mother" model of autism, just repurposed to MUS. So the lesson was to make it more vague, even less specific and apply it to an even larger target population.

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    And because mistakes in psychosomatic ideology rarely happen in isolation, the counterpart to the negative effect of bad parents is essentially a repackaged concept of "hysterical paralysis", taken from MS but repurposed to MUS.

    And of course we have our recent IBD/IBD flawed personality nonsense (it's too much perfectionism, wait no it's too little, whatever your thoughts are impure and you must be reeducated) is literally taking the same peptic ulcers nonsense and moving it a few centimeters down but otherwise keeping everything nearly identical.

    So really the field is essentially taking all the mistakes it did in the past, pureeing them together and shaping some strawmen, caricatures of human misbehavior, from that mush and Week-end at Bernies' them in an elaborate kabuki theatre that essentially amounts to the equivalent of medical astrology.

    I don't know how closely you follow the forum, @dave30th, but this is an impressive mishmash of all the concepts that have been discussed all rolled into one gigantic mistake make from the concentrates of past mistakes.
     
  8. Amw66

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    This looks like the ACEs theorising writ large.
    Note the lack of modulation for these events - is rape/ abuse by a family member the same as by a stranger?
    does anger have the same effect on a 2 year old as a 7 year old as a 16 year old?
    Do male and females have different responses to different forms of trauma/ abuse?

    there is little context.

    ACEs were devised as an educational construct - they are now being used predictively.
    this is more of the same with a slightly different badge.
    Chuck enough stuff in the mix and you can make correlations with anything.
     
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    I presume the the table is of things they scored then they find the total and say this is meaningful. If I have read it wrong, sorry.

    The problem I see is that they are not independent things. If you are being physically abused it would be a miracle if you did not feel worried, anxious, stressed and afraid. So 9 things you can score for adversity and only 4 for a happy childhood. Take into account that the happiest childhood still includes times of feeling anxious stressed and worried and the scale can't help but show adversity.
     

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