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Diagnose Lyme disease if bull’s eye rash is present, says NICE

Discussion in 'Infections: Lyme, Candida, EBV ...' started by Andy, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member & Outreach

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    https://www.nice.org.uk/news/article/diagnose-lyme-disease-if-bull-s-eye-rash-is-present-says-nice
     
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    Wish I’d known this in 1999.
     
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    duncan Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That was, if I'm not mistaken, the standard practice in the US by 1999, ie, a bull's eye was diagnostic. Oh, they qualified it with dimensions and the like because of STARI eventually, but regardless.

    Evidently 1999 may have been a banner year in Lyme mishaps. That year I had over 100 deer ticks removed in a medical clinic - and received no abx prophylacticaly because that was not yet the accepted protocol, even in Lyme endemic areas.

    I look at this a a net add for UK Lyme patients, even though some of the stuff in the release is suspect, e.g. "After a diagnosis of Lyme disease, a person will receive an appropriate dosage of antibiotics based on their symptoms"
     
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    ladycatlover Moderator Staff Member

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    They're a bit late to the party! I "diagnosed" from the rash (and I'm not a doctor) a friend 10-15 years ago on the basis of a paper I read in the Scottish Medical Journal (article now behind a pay wall, wasn't then luckily!). GP of friend accepted that as sufficient evidence (the paper) and treated. Fortunately the antibiotics worked. Geez, NICE are slow and useless.
     
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    ladycatlover Moderator Staff Member

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    Surely this is wrong from their (?)press release?

    Shouldn't that read "If the ELISA is negative..."? I thought if it was positive that meant patient had Lyme. Or am I misunderstanding something?
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I never knew that journal even existed!
     
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  7. duncan

    duncan Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I suspect this is based on the CDC's 2 tier testing recommendation. If you test positive on the ELISA, and ONLY if you test positive on the ELISA, you move on to a Western Blot. If you test negative on the ELISA, no WB for you. In the US, it is very difficult because of this recommendation to ever get a Lyme WB without first getting a positive ELISA, even thought the ELISA basically sucks.
     
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    ladycatlover Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, it's a bit like the British Medical Journal, but Scottish. ;) Back then it wasn't paywalled, or at least the Lyme article wasn't. Or maybe I've just lost my capability of finding articles - not unlikely. :cry:
     
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    Ah, so NICE is as usual taking the cheapest option. Don't bother testing further if the first test comes back negative. Oh what a surprise. :rolleyes:

    Thank you @duncan for your clarification. :)
    From fuming ladycatlover Grrr grrr grrrr angry argghh :emoji_rage::emoji_japanese_ogre::emoji_japanese_goblin::emoji_scream_cat:

    ETA just to be totally clear @duncan, it's not you I'm angry with - very glad for your input.
     
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