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David Tuller: Trial By Error: My Letter to Kate Kelland

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS news' started by MSEsperanza, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. MSEsperanza

    MSEsperanza Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    David Tuller: Trial By Error: My Letter to Kate Kelland
    http://www.virology.ws/2019/03/18/trial-by-error-my-letter-to-kate-kelland/
     
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  2. Alvin

    Alvin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @ScottTriGuy commented
    That is an excellent idea :rofl:
     
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    Cheshire Moderator Staff Member

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    Just added

     
  4. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That's good. Looks like the editors have felt obliged to take notice :). They will hopefully find this could become a habit for this article, and may be be a bit more diligent in future.

    Needs to be archived.
     
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  5. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Originally: "Tuller has also posted a 15,000 word review of it via the website of a Berkeley colleague."

    At the current Reuters link: "Tuller has also posted a 15,000 word review of it via a website hosted by a Columbia University professor."

    On archive (even after the new update at a different address? - I don't understand tbh):

    "Tuller has also posted a 15,000 word review of it."

    http://archive.fo/V9WTA#selection-601.326-601.377

    I like the one that's so blunt - like even just the fact it's hosted by a Columbia University professor is too positive a thing to bear to say about Tuller's work!
     
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  6. MSEsperanza

    MSEsperanza Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    "Editor’s note: An earlier version of this story misstated where David Tuller published a 15,000-word review of the PACE study. It was published on the Virology Blog hosted by Columbia University professor Vincent Racaniello."

    Is this the only amendment?

    So they still describe David Tuller as a "former journalist", give the impression that he has no current professional affiliation with the University of California, Berkley, and is only "crowdfunded by a global band of CFS/ME sufferers, their families and patient activists"--and this "band" enables Tuller to be a full-time online activist who since October 2015 has worked on nothing else than "more than 140 blog posts amounting to tens of thousands of words attacking studies of psychological treatments and conferences"?

    Wow, that's really the high art of biased journalism.

    Dear Kate Kelland, dear Reuters editors, in case you never listened to a "global band of CFS/ME sufferers" and their carers, here's your chance:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BncUDXRA1v4




    Edited for clarity.
     
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    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  8. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This is the version here:

    http://news.trust.org/item/20190313104914-k085q

    It says: "(Edits 31st par to remove reference to website)"
     
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  9. MSEsperanza

    MSEsperanza Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Just tried to save Clare Gerada's Tweet to the Internet Archive -- but not sure if it worked?

    Code:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210604122527/https://twitter.com/ClareGerada/status/1052636273180139520?s=20
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    And now need a break.
     
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  10. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Hmmmm....
    1. I don't think we can honestly call them scientists. Researchers, yes, although not very good ones. Doctors, yes, although again....

    2. I do agree we have entered an era of bullying researchers, if by that you mean some unscrupulous researchers use poor methodology and spun results to further their own ends. Bullying by gaslighting and smearing patients. Bullying by use of taunting and inappropriate language..... "Activist" to describe a group of hundreds of thousands of individuals too ill to work, many of them too ill to even brush their teeth and feed themselves.
     
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