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David Tuller: Trial By Error: My Latest Letter to Archives of Disease in Childhood

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS news' started by Kalliope, Oct 8, 2018.

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  1. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    My latest letter to Archives of Disease in Childhood

    I sent the following e-mail today to Dr Nick Brown, the editor-in-chief of Archives of Disease in Childhood, the journal that published the Lightning Process study a year ago. I cc’d Dr Fiona Godlee, editorial director of BMJ, which publishes Archives.
     
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  2. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    Excellent, thank you @dave30th. I'm glad you have spelled out the just what awful 'woo woo' LP is and what a charlatan Phil Parker is and the harm this published paper is doing to vulnerable children. Let's hope your letter has some effect this time.
     
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  4. dave30th

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    well they published the comment a while ago--they know that the study is a sham. It just depends on what they plan to do. I think they're waiting till climate change wipes us out and they won't have to do anything.
     
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    Amw66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thank you for your persistence. I think they are secretly hoping that you give up.
     
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  6. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    they are behaving disgracefully. I am really disgusted with all of them.
     
    dave30th, Oct 8, 2018
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    Sasha Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Same here. If these people don't act in the best interests of patients, there's less than no point in them.
     
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  8. Amw66

    Amw66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This is the UK.
    Generally it seems that if there is a cock up / scandal that we wait until either people are dead, or no longer practising ( retired) before any actions are taken.

    You only have to refer to recent paedophile scandals and the current very slow progress of the contaminated blood inquiry to get a feel for how this stuff generally pans out.
     
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    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    what's that about?
     
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    I think an answer is needed for this one.
     
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    All the haemophiliacs in the UK who got AIDS and Hep C from blood products even after it was known there might be a problem.
     
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    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    My sentiments exactly.
     
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    Hoopoe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Are children not worth the inconvenience of admitting an error?
     
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    Does PP take the biscuit or what!
     
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    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    There seem to be some people for whom nothing and no one is worth as much as their own skins.
     
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    Cost and effort over ethics, that is clear. Brown's note made it clear he couldn't even be bothered.
     
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    Thank you for responding as i was elsewhere.
    I had a friend in the late 1980s who was a heamophiliac , was affected and sadly died from from AIDS.
     
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    Wow, they're just investigating that now? I mean, many wars have been fought and lost since then. It's not like it was a secret in the '80s that that happened.
     
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    In cricket which is a game game played over 5 days there was a well known England batsman who was particularly known for his defensive batting where he would stand his ground protecting himself from being bowled out but scoring at a very low run rate. This defensive batting strategy is a very apt metaphor for the behaviour of the establishment who believe that if they just keep playing defensive shots they will ultimately grind down the opponent. However I see @dave30th as a spin bowler who will be equally dogged and ultimately bowl them out.
     
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